Searching for a "Pirate" Cobb....show us these extremely rare "T215" cards ?

[birdman42]

Originally Posted by White Borders

97 is a prime number (can't be divided by anything and still get a whole number). So, (unless cards were printed one at a time, which is quite unlikely) if the cards were printed on sheets, a sheet would have to have all the same front; OR there would have to be double prints; OR there would have to be some non-baseball fronts on the baseball sheets.

Craig, those were my thoughts after reading the Legendary description. They came up with their 96/97 assessment by adding Danny Murphy to the 96 they offered. One other possibility is, of course, that there are three players yet to be discovered--including, perhaps, Cobb. After all, this find added five to the checklist.

Bill

[tedzan]

Yes, there are 96 different subjects....and, one variation....Bobby Byrne (St. Louis) and 2nd card of Byrne
identifying him with Pittsburg (traded August 1909).

In my opinion....the change in teams for Byrne narrows down this set to a 1910 issue ?

If it was a 1912 issue, as catalogued, there would not have been any reason to issue two cards of Byrne.


Your thoughts, gentleman ? ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

Also, the Pirate set has both versions of Harry McIntyre....Brooklyn....and Brooklyn & Chicago cards. He was traded
on April 13, 1910, which further suggests that the Pirate cards were printed and issued sometime in 1910.

Furthermore, throughout the set, there are other T206 fronts from the 350-only series and from the 350/460 series,
implying that there might have been two printings. And therefore, two issues of these Pirate cards.


TED Z

[teetwoohsix]

I guess my question wasn't a valid one ?

Clayton

[cfc1909]

Ted

that makes sense-96 subjects and a variation of one of the subjects makes a 97 card checklist.

Clayton-the reason for thinking there is a Cobb- is top tier HOFer and there is a t215 Red Cross so why not a t215 Pirate.

[tedzan]

Clayton


Ball, Crandall and Hartsel are confirmed cards in this Pirate set.

Conroy & Latham have not yet to be confirmed in the Pirate set....and, may not exist if the Pirate issue
is indeed a 96-card set.

The where-abouts of Mr. Cobb still remains a mystery ?



TED Z

[tedzan]

Jim

Regarding your...."that makes sense-96 subjects and a variation of one of the subjects makes a 97 card checklist."

That set in Legendary Auctions actually has 95 different subjects. The Bobby Byrne (Pittsburg) variation is the 96th
card in their listing.
Therefore, if we assume that the Pirate set consists of 96 different cards, then there remains a vacancy for a Cobb.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Have you added T215-1 and PIRATE cards of Danny Murphy (batting) to your wantlist ?

Do we even know if Murphy's PIRATE card does exist ? ?


TED Z

[White Borders]

Originally Posted by tedzan

Also, the Pirate set has both versions of Harry McIntyre....Brooklyn....and Brooklyn & Chicago cards. He was traded
on April 13, 1910, which further suggests that the Pirate cards were printed and issued sometime in 1910.

TED Z

Ted's comment reminded me of a T215-1 Red Cross McIntyre I recently picked up. Note that the image is the same as the T206 McIntyre Brooklyn & Chicago, but the caption is McIntyre, Chicago Nat'l.

I'd be interested to know:

a) If there is also a T215-1 Red Cross with the Brooklyn & Chicago caption (which would indicate a caption change during the print run OR two separate print runs).

b) If the Pirate back version has Brooklyn & Chicago in the caption, or just Chicago.

[teetwoohsix]

Well Craig,I'm glad you brought this up.I don't have the answer,but looking at the checklist I'm using (as stated above in my last post),it says this:

McIntyre, Chicago Amer.,,,,Pirate back T215

McIntyre, Bkln. and Chicago Nat'l ,,,,Pirate back T215

McIntyre,Chicago Nat'l ,,,,,Type 1 T215

Is there a T215 McIntyre with just a Brooklyn only designation?

Sincerely,Clayton

[White Borders]

Hey Clayton,

I suppose I should have checked my Lipset Vol 3 first before posting. Looking at it now, it agrees with what you posted in regard to McIntyre. But since the copyright date is 1986, there may have been new finds since.

Best Regards,
Craig

[tedzan]

Too much guesswork going on here. Here's the checklist of the Pirate set of 96 cards (plus the Byrne variation).
To date, no Cobb (Red portrait....or, Bat off shoulder version) has been confirmed.

My theory is that there was at least two press runs. One in 1910 and the 2nd in 1911. Check-out the following
trades........

Buck Herzog.......from Boston NL to New York NL on July 22, 1911
Miller Huggins.....from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Matty McIntyre....from Detroit to Chicago AL on Jan 12, 1911
Rebel Oakes.......from Cinci to St Louis on Feb 3, 1910
Frank Smith........from Boston AL to Cinci on May 11, 1911


Ames (hands above head)
Baker
Ball
Bender
Bridwell (portrait-cap)
M. Brown (Chicago)
Byrne (St Louis)
Byrne (Pittsburg)
Camnitz
Chance (yellow portrait)
Chase
Collins (A's)
Crandall (portrait-cap)
Davis (A's)
Crawford (bat)
Cree
Devore
Donlin (bat)
Doolan (fielding)
Doolan (bat)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Doyle (portrait)
Doyle (bat)
Dubuc
Elberfeld (Wash.-fielding)
Evans
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Ford
Fromme
Griffith (bat)
Groom
Herzog (New York, Nat'l)
Hartzell
Hoblitzell
Hofman
Howard
Huggins (portrait, St Louis Nat'l)
Huggins (hands/mouth)
Hummell
Jennings (one hand)
Jennings (both hands)
Johnson (pitching)
Kelley
Konetchy (glove low)
Krause
Lajoie (bat)
Lake
Leifield (bat)
Lord
Magee (bat)
Marquard (portrait)
Marquard (pitching)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McGinnity
McGraw (portrait-cap)
McGraw (glove)
Harry McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago Nat'l)
Matty McIntyre (Detroit)
Matty McIntyre (Chicago, Amer.)
McLean
Merkle (throwing)
Meyers
Miller
Mitchell (Cinci)
Mowery
Mullin (bat)
Murray
Murphy (bat)........................UNCERTAIN
Oakes (St Louis, Nat'l)
Oldring (bat)
O'Leary (hands/knees)
Paskert
Pelty (vertical)
Purtell
Quinn
Reulbach (no glove)
Rucker (bat)
Schaefer
Schulte (back view)
Frank Smith (Cinci)
Sheckard (glove)
Speaker
Stahl (glove)
Steinfeldt (bat)
Street
Summers
Sweeney (New York)
Tannehill (Chicago)
Thomas
Tinker (bat)
Wagner (bat on right)
Warhop
Wheat
Willetts
Wilson
Wiltse (portrait)
Wiltse (throwing)


Any inputs are appreciated ?


TED Z