T206 Red Cobb SGC 60/Altered? on eBay

[Peter_Spaeth]

If those scans particularly the front scan don't constitute evidence of alteration I cannot imagine what does. If SGC insists this card is good can we trust its assessment of other cards? Just my opinion.

[botn]

While I know Sean will not reply I have comments/questions about what he posted.

Originally Posted by Leon

Cards exhibiting similar characteristics have been submitted for grading in the past.

Oh really? How similar are those characteristics? I would love to see scans of those. I have certainly never seen anything like this before.

Originally Posted by Leon

While we acknowledge the unique nature of this card, by no means do the scans provided indicate proof of any alteration.

What do you mean by the "unique nature of this card"? It cannot be unique if you have graded cards with similar characteristics.

Originally Posted by Leon

Finally from a business position, we are quite confident that our reputation is worth more than the $2400.00 Greg paid for the card.

I don't think you anticipated that you would get this kind of backlash from me. I think you figured due to our years of friendship that I would go away quietly.

Originally Posted by Leon

Regardless of the "evidence" Greg provided, the card is not subject to our Guaranty since we do not believe it to be a mistake.

And what other evidence do collectors have, Sean, other than visual assessment once the card is in the holder? You look at the card and make an opinion based on what you see based on what your level of experience and expertise is in distinguishing between alterations and natural anomalies. The card would have to be broken out and submitted to other grading services for independent assessment. If I were to break it out and submit it to other professional grading services I void your “guaranty.” Though legally speaking there has to be a guaranty in place in order for it to be voided. And even then if the other grading services reject the card you would say, "Sorry SGC stands behind the grade." It is a bit of a catch 22. That is why you told me to send it to PSA and if they rejected it you would place it back in the 60 holder. You do not care what anyone else says in assessing the card.

[botn]

I know Sean stated "...by no means do the scans provided indicate proof of any alteration." What about these? And what exactly is a corner pull?

[egbeachley]

[QUOTE=botn;799138]I know Sean stated "...by no means do the scans provided indicate proof of any alteration." What about these? QUOTE]

These new pics look like the corner split into 2 cross-sections and the one side started to pull up. In other words, no alteration.

If SGC took extraordinary effort to review this corner, it would have been easy for them to give it an "A" and be done with it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

[QUOTE=egbeachley;799165]

Originally Posted by botn

I know Sean stated "...by no means do the scans provided indicate proof of any alteration." What about these? QUOTE]

These new pics look like the corner split into 2 cross-sections and the one side started to pull up. In other words, no alteration.

If SGC took extraordinary effort to review this corner, it would have been easy for them to give it an "A" and be done with it.

So why is there wear on the front but the back piece is square??

[T206Collector]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

So why is there wear on the front but the back piece is square?

That's my take exactly. I believe in the existence of corner pulls on T206 cards -- I think I've probably even seen them before. But I would expect the wear to be more even front and back.

Notwithstanding this, I would be willing to take the SGC graders at their word on this one. Hardly worth the headache if they thought it was a jump ball, which obviously they don't.

[steve B]

If the split corner had one side fold over and stay folded over for some time it could end up like that. And a clumsy attempt at flattening it could cause the pull of the nicer half. The thinner corner would wear more easily than a full thickness corner too.

But the lack of much wear to the other three corners makes it very weird. I'd really love to see the way the card had been originally stored. Perhaps in a part of a box that exposed one corner only? If so, there should be others from the same source with 3 nice corners and one more worn one.

Steve B

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by T206Collector

That's my take exactly. I believe in the existence of corner pulls on T206 cards -- I think I've probably even seen them before. But I would expect the wear to be more even front and back.

Notwithstanding this, I would be willing to take the SGC graders at their word on this one. Hardly worth the headache if they thought it was a jump ball, which obviously they don't.

I don't see, based on the scans, how it is any better than a jump ball, in which case the tie should go to the customer.