Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[Blunder19]

Frank,

I "stole" a picture... of what.. a card that I owned at the time? .... after I buy a card i always save a pic from the seller... dont you? Its a pic of my card. I love how people are trying to ruin my reputation. after years and years of collecting I have never had 1 person where money was exchanged say 1 bad thing about me.

Im sorry to have wasted everyones time. This is rediculious that I am put on blast in such a way. Really?? a 12-15 page thread on this?? just rediculious.. I hope that auction ends at $10,000. I want no part of it now.

I told Chicago I didnt own the card .. not in our very first dialog.. so for that Im sorry... how many dam sorrys do I have to give.. and I didnt let him wait the 2-3 weeks thinking I owned the card. Thus the start of this thread. If my intentions were to lock up his money thinking I owned the card.. I would have never said anything to him.. and he would have not started this ranting and raving thread.

JP... I asked you about the 1400 BEFORE I had an agreement with Chicago... can you comprehend that....Im tired of you blabing your mouth that I wasnt going to come through fro Chicago... who are you to speak of my intentions?? I recall a thread about you being shady with deals not too long ago.... Chicago offered 1300 .. I didnt say yes at first...I wanted to see if anyone else wanted to go higher... we had no agreement then... but then he emailed me that he wanted an answer or he was out... which was after any talks with you. Thats when I said ok.. Is that NOT how it happened Chicago?


The 2 cards are very different in value. a HOFer and a commoner. by looking for an auction buddy, I would have tryed to agree upon a price with the other buyer for the jennings. One problem. I was not sure of the market value for the jenninngs. I had an idea but thought posting on the bst would get people to make offers and then I could have an agreement with the highest one realizing a more accurate market value for the jennings uzit.... so one last time thge way i went about finding market value and a partner was wrong. so I am sorry. Chicago now if you want your jennings you can spend 2k+ because thats what it is goinng to end at.

Im not looking at this page once more on easter.. going to spend time with my family... hopefully you are doing the same and not reading this crap... maybe by tomorrow this can be a 20 page thread on a deal where no money was exchanged and one "member" who could start a 20 page thread blasting anyone.

Chicago= Mad drama... deal with him if you like that... me, I get enough of that from my GF. so Im good on that front.

[calvindog]

And your spelling sucks too.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by calvindog

And your spelling sucks too.

Jeff,

That's uncalled for and "rediculious!"

[Fuddjcal]

I'll give you 2,000 for this Unix guy and I'm going to over bid all of youzit guys at that Auction. If there enough dopes to go on for 15 pages about a deal that almost was, I want to own that stuff, so you can buy it from me for triple on e-bay "buy uzits now". Thanks for the info.

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

Jeff,

That's uncalled for and "rediculious!"

Another example, Jim, of why you're all that's wrong with humanity.

[Jim VB]

Originally Posted by Rob D.

Another example, Jim, of why you're all that's wrong with humanity.

You're just jealous that you didn't get promoted from "all that's wrong with the hobby."

[Rob D.]

Originally Posted by Jim VB

You're just jealous that you didn't get promoted from "all that's wrong with the hobby."

Not true. We all have our place in life, and mine apparently is destroying the hobby. Though I think I could expedite the process if only I'd get involved in a B/S/T or eBay flare-up on a weekly basis. I need to work on that.

[Al C.risafulli]

It is very difficult to tell this week which member of the Net54 community is ruining the hobby the most.

I vote Jim VB, but that's just me.

-Al

[thekingofclout]

Originally Posted by Blunder19

Im sorry to have wasted everyones time. This is rediculious that I am put on blast in such a way. Really?? a 12-15 page thread on this?? just rediculious.. I hope that auction ends at $10,000. I want no part of it now.

Someone had to come off the bench and fill in for Bruce now that he's in the penalty box for 30 days! It's what we call a Bad Beat in the casino business.

[ullmandds]

Jamie...I don't know you...other than that you put together a t206 set in record time...then sold it...and are now putting together a t206 backs collection...but your attempted sale was unethical and just wrong...and the way you're handling this is pretty poor. If you were to admit that what you did was wrong...and apologize...this would go away...but the way you're acting...this will not soon go away...it'll only get worse. Happy holidays to everyone!

[Exhibitman]

There is a big difference between preselling a card that is part of a deal you have in place and preselling a card that you are trying to win in an auction. In the former situation you have an actual property right to sell (a contract in place for the item but possession hasn't passed yet) while in the latter you have nothing legally yours to sell. Former is OK; happens all the time in many aspects of commerce. I've done it myself. Latter isn't ever OK. What I read sounded like the seller was trying to sell off a piece of a deal in place, not a bidder hoping to win an auction with a partner.

[Ladder7]

Frank, Perhaps stealing your item description is a legit gripe. But c'mon It's petty to be upset that a buyer takes the scan of his purchase. I do it all the time and never thought the seller would get his BVDs all bunched up.

Incidentally, if anyone wants scans of my beaters, have at it.

To get back on track. Both guys are knuckleheads of varying degrees. Great hobby ehh?

[JP]

Jamie, you're just making it worse by not actually apologizing. And what the hell is this?

"One problem. I was not sure of the market value for the jenninngs. I had an idea but thought posting on the bst would get people to make offers and then I could have an agreement with the highest one realizing a more accurate market value for the jennings uzit...."

Your bst ad said you were selling a card for $1000. Now it appears you were running a secret auction for a card you never owned....way worse than selling a card you don't own. Instead of lashing out at everyone, just admit that you purposely deceived six ways to (Easter) Sunday.

[Robextend]

My 3 cents:

Bottom line: It should be common sense never to list an item on the B/S/T that you do not own. There isn't any excuse or explanation that will make what was done ok.

Whatever the intention was should have been made crystal clear from the initial post.

The fact that you are not apologizing without making all kinds of other statements/excuses demean the apology, and doesn't help your cause.

As far as Chicago, maybe the way he goes about things sometimes is controversial and a total turn off, however he has every right to be pissed as well as everyone else that values the B/S/T.

Rob

[Leon]

Originally Posted by Robextend

My 3 cents:

Bottom line: It should be common sense never to list an item on the B/S/T that you do not own. There isn't any excuse or explanation that will make what was done ok.

Whatever the intention was should have been made crystal clear from the initial post.

The fact that you are not apologizing without making all kinds of other statements/excuses demean the apology, and doesn't help your cause.

As far as Chicago, maybe the way he goes about things sometimes is controversial and a total turn off, however he has every right to be pissed as well as everyone else that values the B/S/T.

Rob

Rob- your post put it fairly succinctly in my mind. There is no way someone should be (trying) to sell something, or take offers, on something they don't own and don't even know if they WILL own. Saying you will apologize if you don't win it, and can't come through with your end of a deal, is total asshattedness (I just made that derivative up, leave me alone ) . It is NOT OK to do what Jamie Blunder did on the BST. What he should have done, and that every other board member does, is look for an auction partner for that lot. Without knowing an ending price all you have to do is give a percentage for each card in the lot. Say 65% for HOF and 35% for common, or whatever. I have done it and still do it. To not communicate that you don't own it is fraudulent in my book. The other mods and I will discuss it. It's not like anyone will go to jail or anything but I can see some time away from the BST, or the board, or both, as being possibilities. This was NOT acceptable behavior on our board.

One last thing...I am not sure when the situation about how much anyone pays for a house came up but that kind of information should, and will, remain private UNLESS it is already posted on here (by the party buying the house) or posted on another public forum. Even if posted somewhere else it really shouldn't be posted here by other than the original person as it is their own information. Hope that makes sense. Please, no more of that, even if you are making a point you can just use generalities and probably be ok. Something like, and this is not what was said "Quit braggin' about how much you pay for a house" would be ok.....giving details, probably not.

The other mods and I want the BST to be as transparent and friendly AND ETHICAL as possible. How many times do we say the key to doing smooth transactions is to communicate and OVER-Communicate. There was intentional deception in this transaction, imo, and that won't be tolerated. best regards

[Kawika]

Rediculious!!

[JP]

Originally Posted by Kawika

Rediculious!!

David, you're seplling is apawling!!!

[showtime]

i want the last 10 minutes of my life back after reading this.
but funny chicago was so concerned as he said many times about his 1300 being "tied up" but said later that losing 300 was no big deal because its just like a bad blackjack 20 minute run. just think that you went on a bad run for a little over an hour and having it tied up doesnt seem like such a big deal, right?