Absolutely deplorable actions by a fellow forum member!

[Tcards-Please]

I can certainly understand why Chicago is upset. Nowhere in Jamie's write up does he list this as needing an "auction partner". If he had disclosed that information, this could have been handled a lot earlier. Leon asked if he could post a scan and he didn't respond to that. Dan asked if he owns the card, again no response. People were trying to asertain information because the "seller" wasn't being forthright in the ad. He was holding people to their word, when he wasn't with his. How long would he have continued to shop the card that he didn't own? What if the buyer was really interested in another card that he couldn't now afford because he had $1300.00 locked up on this only to have the "seller" of the UZIT card (which he didn't own) come back 2 days later to say oh, thank you for your interest, but someone else just offered me $1400.00.

I agree that you shouldn't be able to post anything for sale on the BST unless you have the card in hand. If you are looking for a partner, say so, don't be deceptive.

I have no dog in this fight, but as a frequent buyer on the BST, I certainly would be pi$$ed if this were me. But again, I would have been a little suspect if I didn't get the card for the original $1000.00 that the seller agreed to on the original post.

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Frank

[jp1216]

unreal - what a way to wake up on Easter morning...

10 pages later - now I'm awake...

My 2 cents - Jamie was looking for an auction buddy. He didn't want others to know and lose out on the card he wanted from the lot. Improper post in a B/S/T to begin with and very misleading. It read that first one to email Jamie and pay 1K would get the card.

Chicago requested scans and sensed Jamie was unsure who to sell the card to and upped the amount to 1.3K to seal the deal. Nothing really wrong with what Chicago did - unless he knew the card was already promised to someone else for 1K. I don't believe that is the case.

Chicago - email exchanges from you and Jamie were helpful - but they are also private in a sense. You posted yours and his email address for everyone to see. Please edit and remove them at the very least.

My opinion is that Jamie made a mistake, and Chicago gets too excited. Let's move on.

BTW - anyone looking for a partner is the upcoming HA auctions. I hear there are some Uzits....

[JP]

It's obvious from those emails, and the email he sent me, that Jamie was well aware of what key words to omit so as to not raise suspicion. He knew that listing for sale something he didn't own was not right. Hopefully he can't plead ignorance and get away with it.

Jamie also never had any intention of keeping his word to Phil. Check out the last line in his email to me. He obviously was looking for more than the $1300 he had already agreed to with Phil. "The high guy right now is at 1300. I will send picks if your still interested."

[Potomac Yank]

"Blunder's, Blunder"

[Rich Klein]

I was told "Blue Chip" did the exact same thing. They would run these big ads in BHN; then when they got orders; would go to shows and pay for the cards they had sold. Nice business; get $ in hand; sell cards for less than you sold them for.

And yes, I sold a lot of cards to "BC" that way; but it was an interesting concept.

Rich

[Tcards-Please]

Originally Posted by Rich Klein

I was told "Blue Chip" did the exact same thing. They would run these big ads in BHN; then when they got orders; would go to shows and pay for the cards they had sold. Nice business; get $ in hand; sell cards for less than you sold them for.

And yes, I sold a lot of cards to "BC" that way; but it was an interesting concept.

Rich

Rich,

An interesting idea, absolutely, not a problem with doing that as long as you are on the up and up with your intentions. Don't advertise a card for $1000.00, then behind the scenes take offers. He was tying up peoples money for an uncertainty that was another 3 weeks away. Full disclosure on the BST should be a must.

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Frank

[barrysloate]

Not much I can add that hasn't already been said, other than to say this whole thing is deplorable. And I don't even want to take sides.

But a short piece of advice to Jamie: never, ever assume you are going to win something at auction before the auction ends. What if a serious T206 back collector was looking for a Uzit Jennings, or a Uzit Seymour, for the last ten years? And he saw this as his one and only chance to get one. You would have been dead in the water. Repeat: never, ever assume you know what an auction lot will go for, and furthermore, don't sell anything you don't own. Whatever your intentions, that is very bad business.

The rest of this argument is pretty much "he said, she said" kind of stuff so I will stay out of it. Thank you.

[buymycards]

This is kind off point, but I am curious as to why Heritage is selling 2 Uzits in 1 lot. Considering the rarity and the fact that there are so many people interested in Uzits, wouldn't the consigner make more $ if these were sold individually? Personally, I might consider placing a healthy bid on 1 Uzit for my personal collection, but I don't really need or want 2.

Rick

[Edwolf1963]

Only thing I can think of reading through all of this is Jaime didn't want to disclose the location of the card and auction for fear of weakening his buying position - now the entire board knows where it is, what it is and when it ends. Heritage and the seller of this lot couldn't have asked for better promotion!