PreWar cards - population reports

[TipTopBread]

I am aware that population reports exist through PSA & SGC, however I cannot locate them at the individual grading co. website. Do you need to be a member or how does one locate the pop. reports? Is there a particular web address I can use to see the pop. reports at PSA & SGC?

Thanks in advance for any help!
Ray

[Jantz]

With SGC, all you have to do is register and it is free. Then look under Resources on the information bar near the top of the website for the population report.

With PSA, you must become a member and pay to access their population report. However in the past, not sure about today, one could join a month at a time and that monthly membership allowed you to look at the population report. To find PSA's population report button, look to the left side on the main screen

Hope this helps,

Jantz

[Jay Wolt]

Ray, advise what set you are looking for and someone here can give you the data.
If it is the Tip Top Bread set per your name.
Here's PSA's pops


1910 Tip-Top Bread Card No. Name Variety Auth 1Q 1 1.5Q 1.5 2Q 2 2.5 3Q 3 3.5 4Q 4 4.5 5Q 5 5.5 6Q 6 6.5 7Q 7 7.5 8Q 8 8.5 9Q 9 10 Total
Totals 1 6 61 0 4 2 44 6 5 36 0 5 40 5 0 22 1 0 11 1 0 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 252
N/A Barney Dreyfuss Pittsburgh Pirates 2 1 3 1 2 9
N/A Bobby Byrne Pittsburgh Pirates 2 2 1 1 3 9
N/A Chas. D. Adams Pittsburgh Pirates 1 1 2 2 2 1 9
N/A Deacon Phillippe Pittsburgh Pirates 1 3 1 1 1 1 8
N/A Dots Miller Pittsburgh Pirates 4 2 1 1 3 11
N/A Ed. Abbaticchio Pittsburgh Pirates 2 1 2 2 1 8
N/A Forbes Field Pittsburgh Pirates 1 1 2 1 1 2 1 3 1 13
N/A Fred Clarke Pittsburgh Pirates 1 4 1 4 2 1 13
N/A George Gibson Pittsburgh Pirates 5 1 1 1 8
N/A Ham Hyatt Pittsburgh Pirates 1 1 1 4 1 1 9
N/A Honus Wagner Pittsburgh Pirates 1 6 1 6 1 4 2 1 2 24
N/A Howie Camnitz Pittsburgh Pirates 1 2 2 1 2 1 2 11
N/A John Flynn Pittsburgh Pirates 3 3 1 2 9
N/A Kirby White Pittsburgh Pirates 4 1 1 1 1 8
N/A Lefty Leifield Pittsburgh Pirates 4 1 2 1 8
N/A Lefty Webb Pittsburgh Pirates 3 2 1 2 1 9
N/A Mike Simon Pittsburgh Pirates 2 2 1 1 1 7
N/A Nick Maddox Pittsburgh Pirates 2 4 4 2 2 14
N/A Owen Wilson Pittsburgh Pirates 1 3 3 1 1 1 1 1 12
N/A Paddy O'connor Pittsburgh Pirates 4 1 1 1 4 1 12
N/A Sam Leever Pittsburgh Pirates 2 1 1 1 3 1 1 10
N/A Secretary Locke Pittsburgh Pirates 1 1 2 1 1 1 7
N/A Tip Top Boy Mascot Pittsburgh Pirates 1 2 1 1 1 6
N/A Tom Leach Pittsburgh Pirates 1 2 1 2 1 2 1 10
N/A Vin Campbell Pittsburgh Pirates 2 1 2 2 1 8

[Tom S.]

Here are the pops for the Tip Top Bread cards for SGC...

Card# Year Sport Player Name PubSet Description A 10 20 30 40 50 60 70 80 84 86 88 92 96 98 100 Total
Totals 17 99 42 70 69 55 35 12 8 4 0 0 0 0 0 0 411
1910 Baseball FORBES FIELD Tip Top Bread 1 4 1 4 2 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15
1910 Baseball THE TIP TOP BOY MASCOT Tip Top Bread 0 2 0 3 4 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 11
1910 Baseball BABE ADAMS Tip Top Bread 1 6 4 0 2 5 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19
1910 Baseball BARNEY DREYFUSS Tip Top Bread 0 5 1 2 1 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 13
1910 Baseball BOBBY BYRNE Tip Top Bread 0 5 2 5 2 2 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
1910 Baseball DEACON PHILLIPPE Tip Top Bread 0 3 1 1 5 4 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15
1910 Baseball DOTS MILLER Tip Top Bread 0 5 2 3 2 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
1910 Baseball ED ABBATICCHIO Tip Top Bread 1 4 1 4 4 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16
1910 Baseball FRED CLARKE Tip Top Bread 0 3 1 5 2 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16
1910 Baseball GEORGE GIBSON Tip Top Bread 0 4 2 6 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15
1910 Baseball HAM HYATT Tip Top Bread 0 4 0 2 4 4 0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 15
1910 Baseball HONUS WAGNER Tip Top Bread 2 3 3 3 4 2 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 22
1910 Baseball HOWIE CAMNITZ Tip Top Bread 1 3 3 2 3 5 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19
1910 Baseball JOHN FLYNN Tip Top Bread 1 5 1 2 1 1 1 0 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 14
1910 Baseball KIRBY WHITE Tip Top Bread 0 3 2 1 4 3 3 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16
1910 Baseball LEFTY LEIFIELD Tip Top Bread 1 4 1 3 0 0 3 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14
1910 Baseball LEFTY WEBB Tip Top Bread 0 4 2 3 3 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
1910 Baseball MIKE SIMON Tip Top Bread 3 3 0 3 4 1 1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 16
1910 Baseball NICK MADDOX Tip Top Bread 0 4 2 3 3 3 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
1910 Baseball OWEN WILSON Tip Top Bread 2 7 3 0 4 4 0 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 23
1910 Baseball PADDY O'CONNOR Tip Top Bread 1 4 1 3 5 1 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 19
1910 Baseball SAM LEEVER Tip Top Bread 2 4 2 0 4 2 2 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 17
1910 Baseball TOM LEACH Tip Top Bread 0 2 1 5 4 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 14
1910 Baseball VIN CAMPBELL Tip Top Bread 0 4 4 4 1 1 2 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 18
1910 Baseball WILLIAM LOCKE Tip Top Bread 1 4 2 3 0 2 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 15

[Potomac Yank]

1. They do not keep track of crossovers.

2. There are more raw cards in private hands, than found on the registry.

[egbeachley]

Originally Posted by Potomac Yank

1. They do not keep track of crossovers.

The major companies do end up sending crossover flips to each other that eventually get removed from the pop reports.

[mark evans]

This is a topic that interests me as I own one of the SGC-graded Dreyfuss cards. I see that there are 22 graded examples by SGC and PSA combined. I would be curious to learn what board experts believe to be the approximate raw population. Thanks. Mark

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

The major companies do end up sending crossover flips to each other that eventually get removed from the pop reports.

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Do the major companies know ... when a slab has been cracked, and the card sent in for another shot?

[magic1313]

What do you think skews the pop numbers more?

Raw cards in private collections or
Cards from one company removed from slab and sent to another company?

Both actions have the opposite effect on the pop reports.

[Matt]

Originally Posted by egbeachley

The major companies do end up sending crossover flips to each other that eventually get removed from the pop reports.

We thought this was the case, but as of last year, SGC said they had never received a package of crossed flips from PSA.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by magic1313

What do you think skews the pop numbers more?

Raw cards in private collections or
Cards from one company removed from slab and sent to another company?

Both actions have the opposite effect on the pop reports.

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The answer to your question is easy ... it should be obvious even to a newbee.

1. If you crack open a slab and send the card for a hopefull bump to the same grader, or any grader ... the card is being counted again.
An inaccurate count, and pop is being created.

2. Before the graders came over from the coin hobby, the baseball cardoholics new how to grade their own cards, they didn't need a grader to tell them what they already knew.
The non uniformity in grading, was no different than what it is now.

The authentication edge goes to the dealers, and collectors prior to the coming of the Middleman (graders).
Simply stated, when it came to the raw cards, they looked at, handled, and even smelled more card sets than the sides, and corners the middlemen are good at.

I'm willing to bet that there are more raw sets out there held by knowledgeable collectors, than you think.

[magic1313]

My thought are the same. I would assume that there are more raw cards than cards being broken out and re-submitted. I just felt that it was both an interesting and important point when trying to determine the inaccuracy of the pop reports.

[Potomac Yank]

Originally Posted by magic1313

My thought are the same. I would assume that there are more raw cards than cards being broken out and re-submitted. I just felt that it was both an interesting and important point when trying to determine the inaccuracy of the pop reports.

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Pop reports are more like a psuedo elite report. .....

[TipTopBread]

Yes i was interested in the 1910 tip top set! I want to thank all the members for such informative responses. Thanks jay for psa info., and thanks tom for the sgc info.
I appreciate it very much. Hope i can someday help you all out!

Ray pasternak - tiptopbread