Totally destroyed T206 Wagner on Ebay

[T206DK]

Wait this might get even better ! I checked the sellers winning auctions as a bidder recently. Unless I typed in his name wrong it said he won a 1909 Sweet Caporal Wagner card 2 days ago from a seller (rawoysterman). I checked that sellers feedback out and laughed....one of his listings for a Cobb portrait w/Ty Cobb back said " scary re-print" and " highly recommended".
I'm still waiting to hear a story about one of these "re-prints that don't say re-print" turning out to be a real card. I've never heard fo one.

yes Bob, P.T. Barnum is laughing right now

[bobbvc]

Its' reel! Dew to all the naysaayers im' razing postage too $30 to protekt my invisment

[GrayGhost]

We all have fun w lousy reprints/fakes like these. But, sadly, some MORON (and I use that word, like in autographs) will think its real, because they don't do research and buy this garbage. This is just like people that buy forgeries. DO SOME RESEARCH on high dollar cards. With all of the collectors who know what they are doing, if its real low, its probably garbage.

Old saying, if it looks too good to be true, it probably is, and If it looks like its been dropped in a cup of tea, and rubbed in dirt to make it look old, then it probably has..ha.

[T206DK]

I agree with Scott. Though we here get a good laugh out of these auctions, some unknowing collector or speculator usually gets duped. that is unless alot of the winners of these types of auctions are shills. It's hard to tell these days with Ebay practically protecting these types of sellers. It's really bad for the hobby too if these cards are being manufactured in great numbers. It's so easy to fool people on Ebay and the flea market types around here do it as much as they can. Just put up a bunch of authentic commons for sale and add a nice goudey Ruth reprint soaked in Earl Grey and rubbed on the driveway , and alot of people would say you were legit. I've seen re-prints supposedly sell for hundreds on Ebay and it's because someone believed it was a real card. I'm not sure what we as collecotrs can do other than to report such fraud when and where we see it. the problem is really Ebay. I remember in 2007 there was a class being offered by someone in Dayton and in Lebanon ...one of the techniques they were teaching people was how to sell re-prints as real cards by using vague listings and blurry photos, etc...Kind of makes me wish for the old Teletrade days !!

[GrayGhost]

Originally Posted by T206DK

I remember in 2007 there was a class being offered by someone in Dayton and in Lebanon ...one of the techniques they were teaching people was how to sell re-prints as real cards by using vague listings and blurry photos, etc...Kind of makes me wish for the old Teletrade days !!

WHAT? And this was allowed? Maybe Coach's attended such a class or enrolled, as many of their items have "mysterious blurred photos".

The vague listings is really interesting too. Sometimes I read a listing on the bay for a card or autograph, and they DO say its a reprint, buried in the description or "possibly reprint" . Some people , and yes, its the buyers' fault here, don't CAREFULLY read the whole description.

Again, there's so much to love with the hobby, but the forgeries and fake bidders and all this stuff will never go away, as there's always some scum looking to make a fast buck.

[T206DK]

yes this "course" was being offered by a private marketing company I think. During the class the one of the guys ( a professional auctioneer/flea marketer) held up several Old Judge,T206, and Topps reprints that looked real from a distance. He explained to people what type of wording to use in their listing when selling "old baseball" cards. the phrase Estate Sale came up alot. When someone asked him if the cards he was holding were real he danced around the question and kept saying. In your listing you can just put "for Sale" Cap Anson baseball card....he then proceeded to answer the question with a question " how do you know it's not real if you find it at an estate sale? " There are 3 large Flea Markets within 10 miles of me, and I go to one of them once a month. One of the former big card dealers that set up at traders world was busted I believe a few years back for removing SGC graded T206's and replacing them with computer printoffs he made on his laser printer. He was nailed by someone he tried selling a Cobb card to I think.
I don't think Ebay has a financial interest in trying to stop these people at all. As a matter of fact I wonder now if Ebay will even look the same a year from now. Fox business network reported the other day that key employees are "jumping ship" this year from the company to pursue other ventures. I found it odd they used the term Jumping ship. I've heard Ebay was laying people off and streamlining, but maybe they are in trouble like alot of other companies. I liked the old days when only a small percentage of listings were BIN. Todays Ebay is just floooded with overpriced stodge as far as pre-war stuff goes. Everyones poop is for sale at ridiculously high prices....very few deals are to be found, and try making someone a "best offer" mine have all been refused - 100% of them. Ebay has changed since I first joined way back in 1995 or '96, and I say not for the better.

[E93]

People should really take better care of their reprints.