T206 Broad Leaf 460 and Red HINDU "twins"

[tedzan]

If my predictions in Post #11 prove to be correct, then there's a good chance that I may find Chance
with a BL 460 back. And perhaps, it will be nicer than my BL 350 card of him. But, I'm not fussy, I will
take a BROAD LEAF 460 card in any condition.





TED Z

[ethicsprof]

Ted,
very interesting clearing up and cleaning up the loose ends or tentacles of the Monster.
i agree wholeheartedly that we must not be fussy about the condition of these very rare 460s as i sit here with only the 350 in hand.

all the best,ole friend
barry

[tedzan]

Hey ole buddy.....we know that there are 29 subjects with the BL 460 back.....and, the possibility of at least 5 more.
So, why are they so tough to find ? Therein lies the mystery that The Monster will not reveal. This interplay between
AB 460, BL 460, LENOX, Red HINDU and UZIT should be telling us something....but what ?

Give this some thought, Professor.

Best regards,
Ted

[ethicsprof]

Ted,
I do think with Jim R that there will be more BL460s forthcoming either through finds or via those 'reclusive' collectors--those guardians of the Monster's secrets-- who hold many things we seek.
I do believe that information re: the blue chase and yellow chance you need may well be just
'round the corner.
Granted we are really not too surprised that the 'missing' 460s are so difficult to find because all 460s are difficult to find.
The interplay of the various backs you mention as an illuminative clue toward
further deciphering deserves much more incubation and reflection.
well done, ole buddy.
best,
barry

[B O'Brien]

I am checking a story that I heard to see if there is any proof to the tale, but someone told me that they found a open BL pack in an old fire truck in Cape Cod. He then said the was a Lake "Ball" and Lake "No Ball" next the pack in one of the trays in the dash.
I am sent he guy an email to see if he has any scans, but it has been a long time since I've talked to him, we will see if I get a reply. He bought some big stuff, so maybe it has legs. I will pass along scans if I hear from the gentleman.
Take care,
Bob

[tedzan]

I'll spare you the wait. Lake "Ball" and Lake "No Ball" do not exist with BL 460 backs.

Lake (with ball) is in the 460-only series; therefore, it's impossible to be a BL 460 (or a BL 350) card.

Lake (no ball) is in the 350/460 series where BL 460 cards are found. However, this card exists with
an AB 460 back and a UZIT back; therefore, it will not be found with a BL 460 back.
Furthermore, it doesn't exist with a BL 350 back either.

Regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

It appears that American Litho. was concurrently printing BL 460 and Red HINDU cards (circa Winter 1910).

21 subjects from the 350/460 series confirmed with both BL 460 and Red HINDU backs......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Davis (A's)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


T206 BL 460 cards not yet confirmed with Red HINDU backs......

Cobb (red portrait)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
Reulbach (no glove)


T206 Red HINDU cards from the 350/460 series not yet confirmed with BL 460 backs......

Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Donlin (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)

Furthermore, there is a high probability that none of these 34 cards will be found with American Beauty 460
or UZIT backs.


TED Z

[insidethewrapper]

Ted: I'm confused about the above post concerning Cobb ( Red Portrait). Does it exist with the Red Hindu back or not ? You state both in your post. Thanks Mike

[sreader3]

Ted,

Great work as usual.

The PSA pop report indicates two copies of Leifield (Batting) with Hindu--which by implication means Red Hindu.

If it were only one recorded copy, I might dismiss it as a misidentified Leifield (Pitching). But with two I am inclined to think it's the real deal.

Scot

[tedzan]

Thanks Mike

My error....I forgot to delete Cobb from top list.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Thanks for the Leifield input. I will add this card to the Red Hindu list next time I update it tomorrow.
I'm tracking down another input, so there may be two new additions.

Best regards,

TED Z

[tedzan]

It appears that American Litho. was concurrently printing BL 460 and Red HINDU cards (circa Fall/Winter 1910).

21 subjects from the 350/460 series confirmed with both BL 460 and Red HINDU backs......

Baker
M. Brown (Chicago)
Davis (A's)
Doolan (bat)
Downey (bat)
Elberfeld (Washington-fielding)
Evers (bat-yellow sky)
Griffith (bat)
Johnson (pitching)
Joss (pitching)
Kleinow (Boston)
Konetchy (glove low)
O'Leary (hands on knees)
Rucker (throwing)
Seymour (throwing
Snodgrass (catching)
Stahl (glove)
Street (catching)
Sweeney (fielding)
Willis (throwing)
Cy Young (glove)


T206 BL 460 cards not yet confirmed with Red HINDU backs......

Cobb (red portrait)
Dougherty (arm in air)
Mathewson (dark cap)
McIntyre (Brooklyn & Chicago)
Murphy (bat)
Reulbach (no glove)


T206 Red HINDU cards from the 350/460 series not yet confirmed with BL 460 backs......

Bender (no trees)
Chance (portrait-yellow)
Chase (blue)
Chase (dark cap)
Donlin (bat)
Doyle (bat)
Magee (bat)

Furthermore, there is a high probability that none of these 34 cards will be found with AMERICAN BEAUTY 460
or UZIT backs.


TED Z

[tedzan]

Received an email from a Net54 reader reporting a Doyle (bat) with a BROAD LEAF 460 back.

How about it guys, I realize these BL 460's are the toughest of the toughies, but there has
to be some more of them out there ?


TED Z

[tedzan]

Upon further research, I'm retracting the Doyle (bat) with a BL 460 back that was reported.

I keep asking if there are any more BL 460 cards that have not yet been confirmed....but, I'm not getting any responses ! ?


TED Z