Has anyone here tackled the 1952 Topps set?

ALR-bishop · #1 09-17-2009, 09:49 AM

[QUOTE=tedzan;750005]#1-80 Black backs with Page and Sain errors (82 cards)
#1-80 Red backs (issued Spring/Summer of '52)

Ted---that is amazing on the grey backs. I know they are tough.

Does that number include the 3 versions of the Sain and Page cards-- the red back, and the black backs with both the correct and incorrect bio info, since the latter exists both ways ?

toppcat · #2 09-17-2009, 04:38 PM

[QUOTE=ALR;750112]

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Originally Posted by tedzan

#1-80 Black backs with Page and Sain errors (82 cards)
#1-80 Red backs (issued Spring/Summer of '52)

Ted---that is amazing on the grey backs. I know they are tough.

Does that number include the 3 versions of the Sain and Page cards-- the red back, and the black backs with both the correct and incorrect bio info, since the latter exists both ways ?

I think if you add up Ted's plus the six I ID up above and the Page/Sain "third" cards and you get 561 in the master set. Good grief!

GoldenAge50s · #3 09-17-2009, 06:52 PM

Originally Posted by tedzan
#1-80 Black backs with Page and Sain errors (82 cards)
#1-80 Red backs (issued Spring/Summer of '52)

Am I missing something here?

The above list DOES account for 3 Page-Sain cards, doesn't it?

pdub1819 · #4 09-17-2009, 10:56 PM

I'm new here, but I thought I would add that on the Collectors Universe Forum, there is a member (Ijustlovecards) who is tackling the 52 set, she actually is having a competition for everyone by giving away a nice Mantle card to whoever comes closest to guessing how much she spends on the set. She already has the '52 Mantle in PSA 7, check out her registry, it is pretty cool to watch her build the set.

tedzan · #5 09-18-2009, 07:54 AM

Hey guys,

I'm not quite sure I understand your comments on the Page and Sain errors.

Anyhow, the Page and Sain errors exist ONLY with the Black backs. The first 80 cards were printed and issued in the Spring of 1952
with the Black backs. Then Topps switched to printing the Red backs in their 2nd series (cards #81-130) and, all subsequent series.
Due to the huge popularity of the '52 Topps cards, Topps subsequently went back and ran additional press runs on the first 80 cards.
This time printing them with Red backs and in greater quantities.

I collected these cards as a young teenager and have fond memories of them. Ask me any question regarding the 1952 Topps cards
and I'll try to answer them.

TED Z

ALR-bishop · #6 09-18-2009, 07:54 AM

The above list DOES account for 3 Page-Sain cards, doesn't it?[/QUOTE]

Maybe so, that's what I was asking

tedzan · #7 09-18-2009, 08:16 AM

ALR

Yes, I guess at first, your "3 versions" of each threw me off.....I need another cup of coffee this morning.

My grand total of 553 cards includes all versions of Page and Sain.

Regards,

TED Z

tedzan · #8 09-18-2009, 09:09 AM

I don't do graded cards, so I don't know if the pop reports account for the 60 GRAYback variations in the mid-series (#131-190).

I'm curious if PSA, or SGC, pop reports reflect these extremely rare cards (that I think were actually issued in 1953) ? ?

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COLOR variations......

Also, the aforementioned color variations are simply printing errors or printer's variations and I feel that they should not be part of
a "Master Set".
As is obvious when you compare 1st series (1#-80) Black backs vs Red backs, the front colors are somewhat different. The Black
back cards tend to be pale in contrast to the Red backs that are brighter. A trained eye can discern a Black back from a Red back
without flipping the card over.

I have a bunch of these color variations but, I don't include them as part of my master set.

TED Z

tedzan · #9 09-18-2009, 06:42 PM

In my prior post I show Cass Michaels card, Although he is identified with the Washington team,
what ballpark was this picture taken in ?

TED Z

ALR-bishop · #10 09-19-2009, 09:33 AM

COLOR variations......

Also, the aforementioned color variations are simply printing errors or printer's variations and I feel that they should not be part of
a "Master Set".
As is obvious when you compare 1st series (1#-80) Black backs vs Red backs, the front colors are somewhat different. The Black
back cards tend to be pale in contrast to the Red backs that are brighter. A trained eye can discern a Black back from a Red back
without flipping the card over.

I have a bunch of these color variations but, I don't include them as part of my master set.

TED Z[/QUOTE]

Ted--I have the first 80 in red and black and realize some of the front color differences are directly related to those different runs. When I asked about that in a CU thread on the 52 set, someone pointed out that there are also front color differences on some cards even with the same backs. I think Boone is one, and I do have at least 3 different color backgrounds for that card.

I am not a registry person, and although I like to collect variations/errors, I have no personal check list for what constitutes a master set. There has been earlier discussion about what is a variation and what is just a print defect. For my own purposes I view a variation as a card that Topps intentionally changed for some reason. But even that distinction is hard to apply sometimes. I think Campos, which I have, is a print defect, others say not. I also think the Herrer and Bakep ( which I also have) are just print defects ( and numerous other cataloged variations as well), but, they are viewed by most as variations. I collect anything listed as a Topps variation in the SCD catalog and also unlisted variations/errors that I think might or ought to qualify....and often send them to SCD ( some have been included)

I realized I was probably over the edge when I went out and got the 2nd Mantle, Thompson and Robinson, just to have those other stitches

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