1872 Warren CDVs of Boston players - what did original composite look like?

[cozmokramer]

I'll probably be posting up bids one the HA ones...

but if anyone here that has one might be interested in selling please contact me.

[orator1]

Issue #34 of VCBC magazine shows this 1872 CDV of Jim O'Rourke in an article about the National Association. He joined Boston in 1873 after playing for the Middletown Mansfields in 1872.

Could this be an uncatalogued Warren CDV even though there is no Warren identification on the front? It's hard to tell but it appears that O'Rourke's name is handwritten on front. The card back was not pictured in the magazine.

If anybody can post a better image of this CDV, including the back showing possible Warren id, please do so. The only image I've seen of this CDV is the black and white copy from the magazine.

Has anyone seen this CDV offered at auction before?
It may be one of a kind.

[Baseball Rarities]

The O'Rourke CDV was lot #797 in the 1991 Sotheby's Copeland sale. The catalog notes that it is marked "Warren" on the reverse.

I believe that all of the images on these CDV's (except for Ryan, Gould and McVey who were not on the team) are the same that were used in the 1873 Boston team cabinet card that was produced by Richardson.

[GaryPassamonte]

Reverse of my Barnes' CdV.

[orator1]

Thanks Gary for posting that back and Kevin for the lot# on the Sotheby's Copeland auction. I haven't viewed the Copeland auction catalog before so I just ordered one.

[h2oya311]

Figured I'd lift this thread back to the top with my recent acquisition and brief discussion on the October Pickups thread. This O'Rourke is the same one from the 1991 Sotheby's "Copeland" Auction that Kevin mentioned earlier in this thread:



As you can see, my O'Rourke has the same reverse and writing on front as Gary's R. Barnes. The Copeland Auction also had these two CDV's of G. Wright and Cal McVey (scans courtesy of Bruce Garland). They, too, have the same pencil writing on front.



One would assume that all of these "pencil notation" Warren CDV's would have been issued during the same year. All Warren CDV's are commonly thought to have been issued in 1872. However, O'Rourke didn't join the Boston club until 1873 and McVey left the club after the 1872 season to play for Baltimore before coming back to play in 1874. The only season that all four (G. Wright, J. O'Rourke, C. McVey, and R. Barnes) played for Boston was in 1874 and 1875. I believe these particular Warren Studio CDV's were all issued in 1874 and/or 1875. If a Jack Manning, Jumbo Latham, or Frank Heifer ever materialize, we could conclude that they were issued in 1875, otherwise, it would be impossible to know for sure.

Any thoughts?

[barrysloate]

Warren issued these baseball images for several years. I think we once determined that the Warren cabinets were issued between 1872 and 1874, but I forget what the analysis was. They did come with different background styles, suggesting at minimum different photo shoots.