T206 Demmitt & O'Hara....are they 350-only Series cards ?

tedzan · #1 09-13-2009, 08:24 AM

Hey ole buddy

My response to your...."But unequivocal verifiability breathes better in logic and epistemology classes, and even has trouble
'BREATHING' there."

.....certainly, understanding The Monster can be an ongoing elusive adventure. However, in my book I have no doubts that
the St Louis variations of Demmitt and O'Hara are 350 series cards.

As you very well know, the 350 series was the most prolific of all the series in the T206 issue. There is no debating this fact.
The 216 subjects printed in the 350 series enjoyed a long run. This series was initially released in late 1909 and continued to
the Summer/Fall of 1910. Furthermore, 6 subjects (super-prints) were extended into the 460 series run.

I have posted here constructive facts supporting my contention. For the most part, I've seen skeptical replies. But, no hard
facts dispelling my contention. I realize it is tough for someone to prove a negative. So, I wont hold my "BREATH" waiting for
such to occur.

T-Rex TED

Matt · #2 09-13-2009, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tedzan

I have posted here constructive facts supporting my contention. For the most part, I've seen skeptical replies. But, no hard
facts dispelling my contention. I realize it is tough for someone to prove a negative. So, I wont hold my "BREATH" waiting for such to occur.

Ted - my contention is that I haven't seen anything that proves your original assertion that "The St Louis variations of Demmitt & O'Hara were printed
in the initial PB press run. Subsequent PB press runs did not include these St Louis cards of Demmitt & O'Hara". I don't need to prove they are 350/460 to support my contention; all I need to do is point out why your arguments aren't conclusive. I'll give it up since it seems you think I'm bothering you somehow and I think I've exposed that all we know is that it seems somewhat more likely then not, that they were 350 only.

ethicsprof · #3 09-13-2009, 03:13 PM

Ted,
Thanks for the response.
You have indeed posted constructive facts supporting your contentions, and,
as i said in the earlier post, you have offered the best answer that i've seen.
I was simply wanting to help you save your house by reminding you that your having the best answer in no way means you have proven your contention unequivocally.
Certainly, if there are no hard facts dispelling your contentions, your best answer continues to rise brightly. But you are wise not to hold your 'breath' for someone to prove the negative and you would be just as wise not to hold your 'breath' believing you have proven your contentions herein. I simply mention this as I note your saying that 'in your book you have no doubts...'.
I for one am pleased to take a breath or two, my friend, and salute you and the brightness continuing to surround your best answer---but not a proven answer.

(On another topic, if you'll send me your address again, Ted, I have a T206 related item that i'd like to send to you as a response to our fabulous Drum transaction.)
best,
Barry

tedzan · #4 09-28-2009, 07:34 AM

Barry A

Thank you for your kind comments; and, I appreciate your residual skepticism. Can we prove my expressed contention that the
St Louis vars. of Demmitt & O'Hara are 350-only subjects, 100 years later ?....Not with 100% certainty.

However, we can refer back to actual T206 "finds" that will reinforce this contention. One such "find" has come to my attention.
And, a forthcoming post here, regarding this "find", I think should quite well settle this matter.

T-Rex TED

ethicsprof · #5 09-28-2009, 11:54 AM

Ted,
many thanks for the response.
i'm eager to see your new find!
any luck at Philly?

all the best, ole friend

barry

tedzan · #6 09-28-2009, 06:51 PM

Barry A

The T206 "find" I'm referring to is not mine. But, a well recognized member of Net54. I hope he
chimes in and posts it.

I will be emailing you.

No luck finding the card you requested.

T-Rex TED

ethicsprof · #7 09-28-2009, 10:27 PM

Thanks,Ted, for the efforts on my behalf; i'm sure the ole Kimball will rear its head
down the road.
I'll check my email to see the update on the find.

best,
Barry

wonkaticket · #8 09-28-2009, 11:36 PM

Wow you go away on business for awhile and all heck breaks loose�LOL

I will also agree that no theory is 100% on these cards but I�m up for 99% until some really serious stuff makes me think otherwise.

In regards to what series do Demmitt and O�Hara originate from I would agree with Ted 100% that these are most likely 350 series only cards.

I have many reasons for my views many of which mirror Ted�s for one I think they would have been covered with the team change to Montreal and Toronto. It seems logical seeing as they took the time to correct the St.Louis change for both Demmitt and O�Hara.

Second most of my set came from multiple finds within the Maryland area. One of the finds which did yield me my first Demmitt and O�hara was about 150-175+ T206�s all of which were 350 only Sweet Caporals and PB cards. Demmitt & O�Hara were present in this find. I had other finds and purchases over the years ranging from small 460 heavy finds to mix bagged finds of many, many cards Demmitt & O�Hara were not present in any of those.

I have long since upgraded my original Demmitt and O�Hara to the below.

Take this tid bit for what it�s worth but to me it really makes me lean to 350 only based on evidence and personal collecting experience.

So until I see one of the 2 below pop up I�m sticking in the 350 only camp on these cards�

Cheers,

John

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