About those Authentic cards....

[sox1903wschamp]

I do agree on Authentic grades having room to grow dollar wise as well as SGC 10's with a nice front appearance. I like both but would probably choose the 10 with a nice appearance over an "Auth" trim job. Wow David, there's that Joe Wood. I love it.

[JamesGallo]

I think as has been stated that it depends on the card, but in general I have an still agree with Tbob that the sigma behind a trimmed card is coming way down especially if the card is slightly trimmed. Now I have seen cards that are trimmed to the image, and that I do not like.

I also like cards with nice fronts and paper loss to the back, however I have found that often cards like this already sell for more then the grade.
The same reason I like it so do others as it makes an otherwise unaffordable card affordable.

James G

[Kawika]

" . . . it makes an otherwise unaffordable card affordable." There it is. Imagine that Cobb if it had a number grade. Bucks Deluxe. And sometimes, with a card like the T210 Goostree, you just take what you can get. Not too many of them floating around.

[ethicsprof]

Bob,
you've got some memory---bringing up a point from 3 years ago!!
your being a night owl has certainly not gotten in the way of your abilities!
I agree with you wholeheartedly. Some of my favorite 'trimmed' cards are my Nagy
AUT's and an E106 Gibson backview---all of which cost me quite a bit but worth every buck.

best,
barry

[drc]

The pictured AUTH cards were better than Poor to start with, so of course they'll look better after they've been fixed up.

I personally rank altered cards as at best grade Poor. An unaltered Poor card is like Joe Garagiola. Sure, he wasn't very good, but he didn't use steroids. Where some might look at altered card and see Babe Ruth (or Honus Wagner, as the case might be), I tend to see Brett Boone.

[iggyman]

As the old saying goes.....you have to be careful what you wish for. The premise that AUTH cards will someday have alot more value then Poor, Fair or even Good grades will have an unfortunate consequence. You see, if nice trimmed cards ever start commanding premiums above what an SGC 30 might sell for. Then what do you think card doctors (both amateur and professional) will do??? That is correct, they would start trimming perfectly legit cards in the name of the almighty dollar.

That would be a depressing thought and hopefully, we will never see that day.

Lovely Day...

[Matt]

Originally Posted by iggyman

As the old saying goes.....you have to be careful what you wish for. The premise that AUTH cards will someday have alot more value then Poor, Fair or even Good grades will have an unfortunate consequence. You see, if nice trimmed cards ever start commanding premiums above what an SGC 30 might sell for. Then what do you think card doctors (both amateur and professional) will do??? That is correct, they would start trimming perfectly legit cards in the name of the almighty dollar.

Taking the D304 above as an example, I don't think you could make that happen with a card in Fair/Good condition so I don't see it as a problem. You'd have to trim away a huge amount of card to turn an SGC 30 with no creases into a sharp cornered card.

[JamesGallo]

Originally Posted by iggyman

As the old saying goes.....you have to be careful what you wish for. The premise that AUTH cards will someday have alot more value then Poor, Fair or even Good grades will have an unfortunate consequence. You see, if nice trimmed cards ever start commanding premiums above what an SGC 30 might sell for. Then what do you think card doctors (both amateur and professional) will do??? That is correct, they would start trimming perfectly legit cards in the name of the almighty dollar.

That would be a depressing thought and hopefully, we will never see that day.

Lovely Day...

I don't know if Tbob was saying it would get those those great heights but having a NM card that has a slight trim sell for the price of a 2 to me is reasonable. I have think or a few cards where being trimmed was not frowned upon. There was a recent t210 Jackson and I believe a Magie and Plank that were all trimmed and sold for huge numbers. I have also seen lesser cards sell for good money that have been trimmed. If it's good enough on the very high end it would be good enough for someone on the low end two. Yes I understand there are plenty more T206 Cobbs in high grade then the above cards, but paying 15-20K or 1K is a big difference.

I doubt we will see card doctors get into this as it is a very unknown. I think alot of things need to be looked at for a card to bring really good money.

For instance I would love a decent Boston Store Jackson to show up with a minor trim. I could get a great looking card I need for my set without having to go against people with much deeper pockets, but that may not bid because of the trim.

The cobb pictured above is another nice example as is mine below.

http://www.thetoyheaven.com/images/i.../bbcbscobb.jpg

James G

[Jay Wolt]

I agree w/ the consensus that some Authentic cards present better
then numbered low graded ones.

Here's one that I've posted here before but fits the bill of this thread.
SGC & PSA would not grade it since it was skinned, GAI slabbed it and
graded it an authentic.
The card front presents well w/ vibrant color and nice corners.
This card started me on the N284 set and the irony is, its my only GAI