T218's vs. T219's vs. C52's

[Exhibitman]

There are nuances to these issues:

T218 has three brands: Hassan, Mecca and Tolstoi. H and M are common; T is rare.

T219 has three brands also: Honest Long Cut, Miners Extra and Red Cross. HLC is the easiest of them. ME is uncommon (I'd say 1 in 10). RC is rare.

I'd rank them as follows:

T219 Red Cross
T218 Tolstoi
T219 Miners Extra
C52
T219 Honest Long Cut
T218 Hassan/Mecca

As far as pricing goes, with the caveat that ITE (In This Economy) all bets are off as far as how a given card does on a given day, I'd say for a typical card in collector grade, the multipliers would be about as follows:

T219 Red Cross 30x-50x
T218 Tolstoi 10x-20x
T219 Miners Extra 5x-7x
C52 3x-5x
T219 Honest Long Cut 2x-3x
T218 Hassan/Mecca 1x

[scooter729]

Awesome; thanks for the very helpful information!!

[JamesGallo]

I think it is important to note that some players will sell for more then others. These is pretty obvious but even with the multipliers Jack Johnson or Attel may sell for more then a base common unknown guy.

I also think the Miners Extra might be harder then the Tolstoi, but again it may depend greatly on the player. I don't think I have heard of anyone have a Tolstoi Attell, but I haven't seen a Miner's extra either, so there are a lot of factors to consider.

James G

[butcher354435]

T218 Tolstoi Attell does not exist. The T219 Attell is available in all 3 backs.

Brent

[JamesGallo]

Brent,

How can you say that for certain. I know many cards have not been found with that back but what makes you so sure?

Just wondering as I am not an expert but it is listed on the PSA Attell registry. My membership expired so I can't check population reports.

James G

[butcher354435]

Tolstoi's were issued using the T218 series 2 subjects, 49 cards. There are 26 boxers in series 2. I have seen all 26 different and currently have 23 of 26. Until I see a Tolstoi outside of this list then I believe that only series 2 was issued with the Tolstoi reverse.

Patsy Brannigan - Boxer
Knock-out Brown - Boxer
Walter Bursch
Young Corbett - Boxer
Leach Cross - Boxer
C.M. Daniels (head to waist)
Young Donahoe - Boxer
W.C. Fielding
John Flanagan (head to waist)
Joe Gans - Boxer
George Gardiner - Boxer
H.E. Gissing
Abe Goodman - Boxer
Jack Goodman - Boxer
Charley Griffin - Boxer
J.L. Hartranft
Harry Haywood Jr.
Joe Jeanette - Boxer
James Jeffries(Portrait) - Boxer
Harry Jensen
Jack Johnson (front) - Boxer
Joseph Jordan
Al Kaufman - Boxer
W.J. Keating
W.J. Kramer
Sam Langford - Boxer
Young Loughrey - Boxer
Emilo Lunghi
Honey Mellody - Boxer
Frankie Neil - Boxer
Fighting Dick Nelson - Boxer
Young Nitchie - Boxer
Smythe Northridge
George J. Obermeyer
Philadelphia Jack O'Brien - Boxer
Tommy O'Keefe - Boxer
Billy Papke - Boxer
Frank Riley
J.A. Ruddy
UNK Russell - Boxer
Harry Sedley Jr.
Melvin W. Sheppard (front)
C.C. Steinert
Harry Stone - Boxer
Mike Sullivan - Boxer
Clarence B. Tippett
Jimmy Walsh - Boxer
R.P. Williams
Harold A. Wilson

All the best
Brent

[Exhibitman]

Now that's a name!

I have a T218 Mike (Twin) Sullivan Tolstoi.

Also, the Jeffries is arms folded.

[JamesGallo]

So since Attell isn't on this list does the mean he does not have a Mecca or Hassen series 2 back?

There Attell would have 2 T218 the Mecca factory 30 and Factory 649 and the same with the Hassen, plus the C52.

I believe he is found with all 3 T219 backs.

Would this be correct?

James G