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05-23-2009, 06:50 PM
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Stall & Dean Cobb
Bob...
I'd like more information about lot #2, the Stall & Dean Cobb advertisement. Specifically, have you had professionals date the paper and printing on the piece? I've come across two of these since the Halper auction and both have been reproductions. As a matter of fact, if you look closely at the one offered in Sotheby's auction and compare it to those since offered, they all contain the same irregularities as if they were copied from their catalog. All irregularities but one, however. The original Halper piece had a crease while those that have followed are mysteriously cut differently (a slightly different shape) so that, alas, the crease vanishes! Here is a brief thread about the repros: http://www.network54.com/Forum/56713...t+another+fake... I'm not saying that the item in your auction a reproduction, I just want to state that there are several forgeries out there that look similar to lot #2 and are slightly different than Halper's. Could you please disclose any information of its history and your process of authentication? Thanks... Jerry 
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#3
05-23-2009, 10:31 PM
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Jerry,
No doubt in my mind the lot from Collect.com is also one of the fakes. IMO you're correct with your gut feeling on this. The lot has the same tell tale signs the other fakes have all had. Which you are correct were most likely copied from the Halper sale catalog.    The signs are as such… A: There is no black border or stroke line around the baseball, also the baseball’s on both the Heritage and Collect.com appear to be hand cut or have a wavy appearance. B: There is a mark on the pinky finger section of the glove (2) little tears this was on the original from the Halper item, it’s clear on both of the other units. C: Once again on the Halper unit one can see the tiny pin holes or marks these also carry over to the other 2 units from Heritage and Collect.com D: The original heavy crease you mentioned from Halper’s example above seem to always be a spot for weak printing or damage on the other 2 units…as the “Church Lady” would say “Isn’t that convenient” These have always been highly questionable items almost like Fro-Joy’s if you will. http://sports.ha.com/common/view_ite...3&src=pr#PHOTO http://www.sportscollectorsdigest.co...omAuction1.pdf To find any other examples with the same damage and markings in the exact same spot seems highly unlikely and should make any good seller or buyer raise an eyebrow. I’m surprised Heritage and now Collect.com didn’t do their homework or catch these sooner. Not the lot I would want to highlight in my first auction unless I was 100% certain it was the real deal… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5EZ9...e=channel_page Not for nothing but this is part of SCD correct? Didn’t SCD take ads from Coaches Corner a known counterfeiter of signs and such? If the above is true there’s some irony…  Cheers, John Last edited by wonkaticket; 05-23-2009 at 10:36 PM.
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05-24-2009, 09:09 AM
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John raises a point that popped into my head about 5 seconds after I read this post that SCD is delving into the auction-house business: This is the same SCD that accepts advertising from Coach's Corrner and has for years.
You reap what you sow, I guess.
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#6
05-24-2009, 09:26 AM
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Though I believe Bob Lemke to be an honorable person and a valued member of our hobby....well...as the saying goes "you go to bed with dogs ,you wake up with fleas". When SCD stops associating with Coaches Corner's swill than their auction will be received much better.The creditability of SCD is near zero.
In the last Coaches Corner auction I believe they had a single signed Mike Kelly ball from 1890.....are you kidding!!! I think I can complete a single signed HOF set just from Coaches Corner and have it fit in my budget. How can you think for 1 second you can run your auction next to Coaches Corner and have it embraced.Mr O'Connell,you know right from wrong...do the right thing.
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#7
05-24-2009, 09:33 AM
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Yea if you go to Coach's Corner auction that just ended you could have won a King Kelly autographed ball for 1520.00 and a Lou Gehrig autographed bat for 460.00 both for under 2000.00. What a stinking joke. Somebody stop these guys.
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