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Old 05-13-2009, 08:12 AM
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Brian - My guess on the Bescher being graded authentic is that it is probably trimmed. Still presents very well in my opinion and is nice that it is from the Carter collection.

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Old 05-13-2009, 03:43 PM
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My guess is that as time goes on, cards (1) with the pedigree of coming from a hobby legend (such as Lionel Carter) AND (2) known to have been literally pulled from the pack by that person, will sell for more and more of a premium. The reason IMO is less because they were once owned by a hobby legend, but more because people will REALLY know nothing was done to them.
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Old 05-13-2009, 03:48 PM
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When I read that nothing was done to the cards...

I'd think Mr. Carter was not beyond soaking a card off of a scrapbook page. Personally, I think that's what should be done to a card that's on a scrapbook page, but I believe some folks here think that to be undesirable. Do you guys really think Mr. Carter never soaked a card, or are you talking about alterations?
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I don't think he ever soaked a card. I don't think he would have ever needed to. I could be wrong, but I assume he gathered the majority of his pre war cards before the boom and I am quite sure I read where he only collected the best examples of each card and nearly threw away his Plank T206 because of its condition but kept it hoping to get an upgrade, which never arrived!

I don't have anything vs soaking a card.. taking off what is not meant to be there seems fine with me..

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Old 05-13-2009, 03:57 PM
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I have a couple of Carter cards which are pack fresh fronts and look like highest graded but a tiny bit of paper loss on the back. I don't think Lionel woried too much about the backs. They are stunning Tattoo Orbit cards.
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Frank,

I have to agree with some others here. The era in which Lionel Carter collected was one in which the condition of the reverse side of the card wasn't as important as it is today. In fact, it was not an uncommon practice for some dealers to routinely write prices on the backs of cards when selling them. I doubt Lionel Carter would have soaked cards to remove excess paper or that he, as condition conscious as he was, would even have acquired such cards through trades or purchases. The fact that his collection was housed in a series of albums lends additional support to this idea as well -- why would he remove paper from the back of his cards only to store them in a way where the backs were obscured? Just my thoughts...
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