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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bilko G
Well for many years now BGS has had tremendous respect and a very strong following with the very modern card collectors (1998-present), especially with Baseball "prospectors" and their precious Bowman Chrome autograph rookie cards. Some modern collectors even go as far as saying "something is wrong" with a, for example, Justin Upton Gold refractor RC that is graded by PSA and not BGS. Well with all the recent "scares" and fraud that is going on with many vintage and pre-war PSA graded cards, do you guys see more and more Pre WW2 and vintage collectors switching over to BGS slabs for the added comfort of not only the best protection, but also to feel safe from potential fraud? Beckett claims to have "The strongest slabs in the business" and isn't that what people would want protecting their thousands upon thousands of dollars worth of investments? Im seeing more and more high grade, valuable vintage and pre war cards in BGS holders. What do you guys think and is anyone else thinking about doing more of their grading with BGS? |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
I see every graded card in auctions on eBay and in the major auction houses. For the most part in Pre-war there is very little offered in this area that is Beckett graded and for the most part what is graded by Beckett is also being sold by Beckett. In the other auction houses it is even less or basically none, except for the one graded T206 Wagner I can't recall any others. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Dave F
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: T206Collector
As long as Beckett fails to understand that people collect scans of their cards and those baggies make scans look weird, they will continue to lose my business -- unless necessitated by a JSA certification. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Doug
I don't think having that BCCG around helps any. When you see all these cards graded Good or better, mint or better, etc. it takes away from the regular BVG service IMO. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bilko G
Dave F- While i do agree that a grading company selling their own graded cards is a huge conflict of interest, you also gotta know that most of these BGS cards you see for sale in the Beckett media store are consignment sales and a lot of the time where already graded in the past, before being put on consignment with Beckett. As for the Zeenut auctions that you posted, if what davecycleback posted in his thread stays true, these graders have no idea for whom they are grading for. For example, the graders would have had no idea that the Zeenuts they were grading, would later be for sale by consignment in Beckett's ebay store. I really do believe this to be true because if something otherwise got out to the public, it could destroy a company's reputation for a very long time, perhaps forever. |
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Posted By: Matt
Bilko - it's not just Paul's scanner. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Erick Lewin
I have a few prewar graded cards by them, that had already been graded when I bought them. the ones I have, the grades seem right on. I do hate that plastic insert with scans though. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Jason L
pretty accurate grading, especially with the newer stuff... |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Greg B.
I think that is a fine "4". Would you rather send it to GAI? |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Mark Anderson
Hey guys, |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: JimB
They should stop selling cards. Wasn't that the whole point of 3RD PARTY grading? |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bob
I ignore the BGS grade and bid on the card as if it were raw. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: James Gallo
I realize the holders are protecting the card, but they are just too damn big. If you put a t206 or e90 in one of those things there is like 2 inches or more of clear plastic all the way around. I haven't seen enough cards damaged by holders to say that the "protection" factor makes me want to change over. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Jason
I have no problems with BVG. I've successfully crossed all the ones I bought to SGC. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Anonymous
Jason L: |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Rand
well, seems to me this post is an advert for Beckett, all thats missing are the monthly specials for pre war grading specials. i liked beckett, i like the holders with the gold labels and the baggy does not bother me. however, i Hate the fact they are auctioning their own graded cards. i dont care if they are consignments, how do we know they arent the cards of the management or a collection someone in the company found? as they send more cards to market, i am seeing some overgrading when it comes to corners and stains. anybody that collects cards for registry sets will be busting the beckett holder anyway for crossover. imo, if psa feels they are starting to make an impact on their business they will not cross cards over to equal grades if still in the holders, especially high grade stuff. i would bid on beckett cards if i thought i could get them cheaper than sgc/psa counterpart, i would not send any in for grading. i am only referring to older cards not modern stuff. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Phil Garry
As others have already mentioned, Andy Broome & Mark Anderson do an outstanding job. Beckett's new oversize holders open up a whole new world of opportunities to grade newspaper & magazine supplements (ie - M101-1's, M101-2's, etc.) that could nver fit into another company's holder before. I have already used Beckett for 20+ oversize pieces and every one came out great. These guys definitely have my support!!! |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Fred C
As previously stated (a few times now) - Grading and Selling cards (both) just doesn't seem quite right. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: John J. Grillo
Let's be honest with ourselves here...after all Derek Grady is head grader at SGC who used to be head grader at a major auction house...are we to assume those ties no longer exist? What about Dave Forman? PSA was/is affiliated itself with Superior Auctions for some time. I was once a vintage but now just a modern, shiney-junk collector, but BGS still grades my cards fairly accurately...what more can I ask? |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Anonymous
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Wesley
I like the Beckett holder and think the Beckett holder is safer for cards than the SGC or PSA holders. I do not own many BVG cards, but the ones that I have seen look accurately graded. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Mark Holt
To answer the thread title: |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: davidcycleback
I wouldn't want to be a grader for any of the companies. Even modern cards are altered and faked. I prefer my ivory tower. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bilko G
To answer the thread title: |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Bobby Binder
"Well according to some of the posters in here, it sounds like they are. They are with me, that's for sure." |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Scott Levy
I am willing to stand up for any grading company that has enough integrity to admit past grading mistakes, take accountability for them and make the situation right without an extreme amount of arm-twisting. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Eric
Scott makes a good point. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: leon
As is known some of the Beckett guys I count as friends (don't hold that against them) and they are an advertiser here too. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Steve F
Their big mutha holder ain't real pretty, but tougher than a Tiger tank. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Lance
In a very late response to the opening question, I trust them more than PSA and consider them #2 in my book. PSA has done nothing but disappoint me when I try to cross to SGC, but BVG has held there own and the only upgrades I received from SGC were out of Beckett holders. It's good to see another company striving to achieve something other rhan a bottom line number. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Kevin Saucier
I have to agree with Mark Anderson in that the plastic inserts, although not always attractive, keeps the card completely stable. I've inspected thousands of cards and have seen countless rail and gasket damage. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: quan
i've had a few (3-5) cards that i felt was damaged by the SGC insert...sometimes because the card is being squeezed into the tight space, other times the holder could be jarred/move around and the card's side is slamming against the insert...bleh. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Al C.risafulli
I've never had a card damaged by either a PSA or SGC holder. The only ones I've ever seen are the ones Kevin has showed. |
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Is Beckett (BGS) starting to gain respect in the pre-war community?
Posted By: Scott Levy
A fellow collector showed me damage caused by SGC inserts to T206 cards. In a couple instances it was severe enough to affect the grade of the card (my opinion). In those instances the insert jammed into the edge of the card and cut into it causing the paper to dent and in one instance tear. |
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