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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Now that it has ended and can be discussed what do y'all think of this poster? |
#2
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Posted By: Matt
It personally doesn't look authentic to me. Colors don't seem crisp enough. If it is legit, it was a steal!!. |
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Posted By: leon
Beautiful. (not) Legit. I was the underbidder |
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Posted By: MW
The cards are definitely reprints. The poster might be too. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Looks like Olbermann trusts his snipe program enough to go with a one second to go option. |
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Posted By: leon
I was safe either way, legit or not. I emailed the seller and they guaranteed it to be legit. It was a no brainer as they are a perfect feedback seller too. |
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Posted By: Jeremy Wagoner
To me, the cards were certainly reprints so I assumed the poster was as well. I could be wrong though. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The poster wasn't real. How much did it go for? I can't seem to bring up the final price. |
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Posted By: Mark
I had emailed the seller, who had it on consignment. She said that her consignor refused to open up the frame for inspection. I had questions about the cards, and whether the cards/poster were permanently adheared to the matting. |
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Posted By: Jeremy Wagoner
Leon, did the seller also guarantee the cards as authentic? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
It isn't even the right size. An original would measure around 22" x 16". Phony as a three dollar bill (and I knew of this offering during the week). |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I guess here's the problem with not "outing" an auction like this...many seem to have seen this and some deemed it fake, but it still ran without comment here. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Folks, there are three known examples of the Burke Ale poster that features Anson and Ewing, and an example went last year in REA for $188,000. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
I just pulled at the April 9, 1994 Sotheby's catalog, where lot #344 was the same poster. Theirs measured 27 1/2" x 19" in the frame, so if you allow for a couple of inches matting on each side we get the 22" x 16" measurement I conjectured. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Should this have been outed before it ended? |
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Posted By: barrysloate
There was no reason to think anyone would imagine it was real. I spoke with a board member about it several days ago and we both concluded it was fake on a glance. |
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Posted By: leon
It looked real to me and I thought it was just a poster I hadn't seen before. Since I had the guarantee I wasn't too worried though I agree it's always a hassle to do a return. I didn't get the guarantee on the cards as I didn't ask. I sort of thought they weren't good as they don't look right. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
So how does one of the most experienced 19th century baseball collectors not know this at a glance? |
#19
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Posted By: Anthony S.
Looks like that consignor just locked up a spot on Countdown's "Worst Persons in the World." |
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Posted By: Jeff S.
For some reason reprinters always screw up the borders. You'll notice in the real Anson, how the various colors seep in and out of alignment, especially with the title box on the bottom - there's no definitive straight border edge in the printing. The repro Anson has a straight crop all around, with an additional hefty border, muted colors, lack of detail etc. |
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Posted By: leon
As I said I don't collect posters and just thought it was one I hadn't seen. As for the cards, as I said, I didn't care that much. I have emailed the winner as a courtesy heads up....best regards |
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Posted By: Keith O'Leary
I'd bet money its no good. I've seen similar put together items recently turning up at flea markets as well as other venues. You better be familiar with what you're buying today. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
An original poster is one of the great advertising displays in the hobby. An original would have rich deep colors, not the washed out ones that this one exhibits. |
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Posted By: David Smith
As I was going to post before (but didn't) Keith O has the financial where withal to take a hit on this if it is not real. He also has name recognition and the legal backing to get things straightened out if the deal goes bad. |
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Posted By: peter ullman
wow...an obvious fake...atleast to me. good thing there's a money back warranty. barry's analysis is spot on...just look at the colors...and the borders. another ebay lesson sponsored by net54. |
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Posted By: Anthony S.
That's a good point, David. Joe Scarborough does have access to Olbermann's office. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
George Harris & Sons Litho. Co. (Philadelphia) did not print wide borders on their Subjects on any of their posters, |
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Posted By: leon
Ted- I could have easily won this. I would have gotten my money back as Keith will, if it proves to be fake. I have done far more idiotic stuff.... |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
Ole buddy....if I knew you were bidding on this item....I would have instantly called you and warned you. |
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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted
It has become an absolutely ridiculous taboo of not "outing" ebay lots on this board, that you deem |
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Posted By: Jay
I talked to Rob Lifson (and Barry) about the poster when the lot was first listed. He said 100% fake--no question. |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Whenever I see a poster or print I might have an interest in and am concerned whether it is genuine, the first thing I will do is compare its dimensions against those of a known original. If they vary, the item is a fake, period. It's fast and easy to do and it can save a lot of time and trouble down the road. |
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Posted By: leon
So what you are saying is that you have never seen something for the first time, that didn't quite meet what you expected to see, and every single time that item has been a fake? wow...... |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Leon, |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Corey, how can you say that with any certainty? New discoveries are made all the time. |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Dan, |
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Posted By: Jay
Dan--Usually not in a "period" frame with four obviously fake N162s |
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Posted By: Jason L
sorry, I thought this thread was going to be about Frank... |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Jay, I wasn't speaking towards this particular item, just Corey's generalization that a print or poster if it doesn't measure up to known examples automatically makes it a fake. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Dan- Corey's assertion that the measurement is among the most important things to look at for determining authenticity would probably be true 99% of the time. |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Well, sure Barry, but words mean things and Corey was talking in absolutes. I don't think there's room for absolutes in this hobby. New stuff is discovered on a fairly regular basis. |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
"However, N28 posters do exist and they measure 22" x 16". The chance of a variant N28 poster being found with different dimensions would be extremely unlikely. Not impossible, just very unlikely." |
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Posted By: barrysloate
The chance of two identical designs in different sizes existing would be close to zero, for the exact reason you cited. However, a smaller poster with a somewhat different design (say a counter card) could exist. |
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Posted By: Frank B
This cost me $21 delivered. It's a nice frame job too. |
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Posted By: joe
It's a fake because I own the same poster. |
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Posted By: CoreyRS.hanus
Leon, |
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Posted By: leon
I will be sure to do that...... You ole shark..... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Hey Leon- he spelled "moral" wrong. What penalty should we assess him? |
#49
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Posted By: leon
I saw that but wasn't going there......I make too many mistakes to throw rocks.... |
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Posted By: barrysloate
That's a very diplomatic response. |
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