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Old 10-13-2008, 09:27 AM
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anyone know if this is a error or just a really scarce issue? should I even bother? I mean I will get it authenicated but what is it? it i thought was a Caramel E91 but the Back is a KOTTON and is the Scarce version of Never Go out. I believe its the Rare version. It smells 100 years old even..lol. Thank you to everyone here for all the help in advance. i always cruise this site for great info on the pre war cards. Always a help. so now I am asking. anyone know what it is exactly? Where can i find another to complete the set. I do hope its real. How will I tell?

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:35 AM
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Interesting creation. I would have this checked out. Several things look alittle strange. Just my opinion.

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:44 AM
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What does this have to do with Obama or McCain?

But back to the question...they look like real parts, but I'm a bit skeptical that it was originally printed together like that.

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Thank you for the comment. Have you seen anything like this ever before? I am grading this will keep everyone posted to my find. it sure does look authentic. I have looked at it from every angle. does not appear to have a different back adjusted to fit this. Looks like it came from a pack 100 yrs ago. Weird! Yes i thought that too. Guess SGC is my only source to find out for sure.

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I think it is rebacked with the kotton back. That would be my guess. Please keep us posted. I would be interested to see what SGC says.

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Old 10-13-2008, 09:51 AM
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From what I can find Kotton backs look like this...

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Old 10-13-2008, 10:11 AM
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Looks like the back was printed on top of a damaged back. The C in Cigarettes isn't affect at all by the heavy breaking crease. The Peoples and New Orleans lines have an odd too thick and washed out look to the font.

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Looks like a re-back to me.
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Old 10-13-2008, 10:37 AM
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Just a really bad fake:

http://cgi.ebay.com/HANS-WAGNER_W0QQitemZ130258486865


Front of the card should look like this:

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Don't know about the back, but the print on the front of the card is not right for an E91, as shown on the previous post.

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Fonts are all off, no black border around the image of Wags - a fantasy piece.

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Posted By: David Smith

Don't you all know, the original back was ripped off this card and this is the UNDERPRINT which was found.

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Old 10-13-2008, 11:30 AM
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Ok. Just need to see what grading outlet says. i think i am gonna ask just to authenicate it Its more money i am told for a Numbering grade. What would you do if you had this card? Pay fee of $100-up to se or just leave in collection as you have it now? i am curious but not rich either. Grading is expensive . Maybe when my stocks rise again I may be able to afford the luxury of throwing away a c-note on nothing.

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Are there any variations on KOTTON backs out there I am wanting to grade but want to be sure. If anyone who collects just the KOTTON ones please advise. Mike

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Posted By: peter ullman

leon has all of the back variations...I believe...check out his web site. That card looks fake to me...both front and back look suspect!

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Thanks Pete Please link me to Leon web page. I am very grateful. Mike

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Well ok. I Guess for the Time being i am gonna have to send it off. Maybe I will wait to take it to the Long Island National. Then i can be sure. Do any of you who collect KOTTONs agree?

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Here it is Mike...



I don't think I would spend the $40 to have it graded...if "Mller and Huggins wants to feature this in an auction," I would think they would have it graded for you.

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Agree with Sean. Don't waste your money sending it in... its not real.

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