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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Darren
My votes are |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barrysloate
Heine Zimmerman won the Triple Crown. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Darren
Marty, |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barrysloate
Now that I think about, Bill Dahlen was the best non-HOfer. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Bob
Turkey Mike Donlin and Big Ed Reulbach, tie. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Steve Murray
Gavvy Cravath |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Anthony S.
Deacon Phillippe |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Joe D.
"Heine Zimmerman won the Triple Crown." |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Lance
Black Sox, anybody? |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Sean BH
I second Gavvy Cravath! |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Fred C
I third Cravath but only based on his HR title statistics. That many HR titles is deserving of some recognition. He was hitting HRs in the greatest amounts when it wasn't envogue to do so... |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jason L
Reulbach and Cravath |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Sean BH
Motion carries. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: E. Angyal
What about Ed Cicotte? |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barrysloate
Seattle Slew and Heinie Zimmerman, in a dead heat! |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Dave S
Barry--Zimmerman's "Triple Crown" was actually stripped from him, supposedly scoring errors resulted in him finishing third to Honus and Bill Sweeney in RBI's.. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barrysloate
Dave- interesting. Never heard that one before. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
As a kid, I read how Hal Chase (from 1st base) would field a bunt down the 3rd base line and throw the runner out...... |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jason L
can we see al the fronts displayed in one scan?!?! That would look cool. Be interested to see any color variation in the blues... |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Dave S
Barry-Here ya go: |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: ali_lapoint
my vote goes to Jesse Tannehill. 20-6 in 1902 with a 1.95 era. won 20 games 6 times. finished with a 197-116 record and lifetime 2.79 era. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barrysloate
I learn something new every day. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
Reulbach as the pitcher, and |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: David R
Wasn't Hal Chase the lead in the Titanic movie? I don't have the photoshop skills but I swear that Leonardo Dicaprio in Titanic is really the ghost of Hal Chase. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jeff Lichtman
Based on HOF voting totals, definitely Hal Chase. In the inaugural vote he received more votes than Mordecai Brown, Sam Crawford, John McGraw, Hughie Jennings, Mike Donlin, and Rube Marquard. In the next year's vote his total went up and he still received more votes than many HOFers. By the next year he was off the ballot due to revelations about his misconduct in baseball. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Craig W
Hooks Wiltse |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: John S
My votes are for Phillippe and Leever. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Shawn Chambers
With regards to pitching, I agree with Reulbach, Tannehill, and Phillipe, but I can always seem to think of deserving pitchers in any era more often than the sticksmiths. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Mark L
Larry Doyle and Deacon Phillippe were crucial pieces of two all-time great teams. I'd vote for them. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Marty Ogelvie
Love those card pics Ted, you da man! My vote was for Chase, not because I think he deserves to be in the HOF. He certainly does NOT but I do think he was the Best player from the T206 set NOT alreday in the HOF. If not for his questionable ethics, he would certainly have been in by now. I find it enlightning that he consistantly led the league in errors at 1st base yet was he still considered by most all of his peers as the best fielding first baseman of his era! There are players not in the HOF that deserve to be in the HOF from the T206 set, Chase is not one, although I think he was the best not already in. It's a shame that many of these deserving players will likely never get enshrined, the voters/writers today simply do NOT put the time in needed to research these players.. martyOgelvie New York Yankee cards |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: paulstratton
Cicotte and Chase. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: ali_lapoint
i don't think sam leever has a card in the t206 set. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Kenny Cole
He may have been the most talented of the non-HOFers in the T206 set, but he was also the biggest crook. I find it difficult to square the concept of the "best" with a player who routinely threw games. Baseball, like all sports, is all about winning. If you don't help your team win, and Chase pretty clearly did not (at least not when it counted), then I'm not sure how anyone can realistically call him the best. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barry arnold
cicotte and chase |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Mark Lutz
How can they be best if they were not ethical? |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Lance
The same way Mike Tyson was the best...without ethics being involved. The Black Sox made a grave mistake and paid dearly for it. So has Pete Rose, the all-time hit leader, in case you forgot. Ty Cobb was a racist, yet nobody ever has denighed his absolute greatness or place in the hall. These are all very different stories, gambling, fixing games, and hatred, but which is the worst of the three? The Black Sox and Rose belong in the Hall of Fame, based on what they accomplished in their careers on the diamond, not off. That part only happened when America started expecting TV and "Role Models" to raise their children. If ethics were involved in the original voting, how many play boys and drunks would now be diqualified? I can think of 2 real easy. It is not the Hall of ethics, obviously. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Frank Wakefield
"Best" is not someone who might throw a game for money, |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jason L
on this, we completely agree. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: paulstratton
Puckett and Carter then. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: MVSNYC
Lance- i agree, especially about the whole Tyson analogy...you had me until this comment, however... |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Lance
Michael, |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Darren
Leever is not represented in T206. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: MVSNYC
Lance- no biggie, just had to call you out on that... |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Tim Sanders
Deacon Phillippe |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Jason L
Ha ha Ha!!! |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: barry arnold
Hi Mark, |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Misunderestimated
Without wading into the ethical problems presented by some of the candidates the statistics pretty much lead me to the following list |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: sean
Now im the first to admit that hal chase doesnt deserve to be in the hall due to his throwing games. However, his lower fielding percentage (so Ive read) has a lot to do with actually being a good first baseman. A lot of players from the pre 1920 era have lower fielding percentages due to trying for impossible plays that a lot of other players wouldn't of even gotten close to. Player averages during the deadball era are deceiving as smaller gloves and wirey (spell check?) players (Johnny Evers, Hal Chase, Frank Baker, Solly Hofman, etc.) made for more errors that probably shouldn't have been counted as errors. Another factor in determining who should be in the hall is the people who saw them play that give them recognition i.e. Babe Ruth naming hal chase the best first player he ever saw or nearly everyone (including Ty Cobb, Mordecai Brown, Honus Wagner, etc.) from the deadball era picking Johnny Kling as the best catcher they ever saw. |
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Best Baseball Player Depicted in T206 Not in the Hall of Fame
Posted By: Misunderestimated
I guess the big thing -- I want to stress about "Prince Hal" was that even if it appeared that he could play first base as well as any of his contemporaries you were more likely to lose with him on your team because of what he did. True, all those players saw him at some time or another field the position as well as anyone, but he presence on a team was cancerous. The object of baseball is ultimately rather simple and no different than any other team sport: win. If you had Chase you were less likely to win. Chase's perfidy was generally unknown until near the end of his career when he played for Christy Matthewson, who managed the Reds. Matty knew just how dangerous Chase was and he knew when things were fishy. "In Eight Men Out," Eliot Asinoff explained that the terminally ill Matty was one of the first people to suspect that 1919 series was compromised and recorded each play that suggested a lack of effort by the ChiSox from the press area where he watched the games with legendary journalist Hugh Fullerton. |
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