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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
I'm reprising the theme of this thread for those of you who clicked onto the "bottom of page" link and have not read it. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You hit back-to-back HR's with Raymond ans Schirm....they are part of the "A-B-C-D club". I added them to the list. |
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Posted By: ty_cobb
Haven't had much time for participation on the board, as I'm mostly on |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Anyone here would like to venture a guess to this question....Why did the T206 designers drop the FRAME design for their add- |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Jon Canfield
My guess is that it was a mistake - the Uzit, AB 460 series and Lenox were all intended to have the same frame design as the AB 350, Cycle, etc but somehow, it got overlooked and the cards rolled off the presses without the frame being added. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: David Reis
Ted, |
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Posted By: leon
I never really noticed my AB 350's had a border and borderless version..... |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
JON |
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Posted By: leon
I don't think I even have a Cycle 350 yet. I have never really focused on the T206 backs because of the few that will be impossible to find...the ones that are more difficult than BL460 or Drum. I am sure there will be one in the future.. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
If you are interested in acquiring a CYCLE 350 in the "nearer future"....email me and I'll offer you several to choose from. |
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The American Beauty 460's are much tougher to find the either of the American Beauty 350's. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Also, I can personally tell you how tough the AB 460 cards are. I have been collecting a sub-set of these backs. |
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Posted By: David R
Thanks Ted. Probably explains why I have a bunch of AB 350s (frame and no frame) but no 460s Does the 460 come with a frame? |
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Posted By: Darren
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
A T213-1.....a great observation, guy. And, if I recall correctly, these Coupon cards were issued in 1910. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Darren
Compare Coupon type 1 backs to T206 Cycle backs...the borders are exactly the same...down to that "frilly" little design midway on each side. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The Frame, the Lettering style, and the 1910 date of this Coupon card are all identical to the A-B-C-D T206's. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Jon Canfield
I think it would be a good idea to explore the 68 subjects that appear in the Coupon Type 1 set and to see if they match up with some other T206 series. I never quite understood why it is always assumed that the Type 1's were not part of the T-206 distribution. In fact, I always thought there is a more evidence that they were part of the T-206 distribution than to not be included. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
You make a good point. Coupon cigarettes were part of the American Tobacco Trust. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Jon Canfield
Ted - I'm with you buddy. I also feel like your points regarding the "scarcity" of the type-1's and their sizing are important. I will freely admit, however, that I am unsure who the subjects in the Type 1's include, the poses, etc. I would like to see if the 68 cards are similar to some other back... for example, if the Type 1's match up with the 150 SC distribution (or any other combination of back and series, etc). I truly feel that if it is explored in more detail, we may be able to come up with very good evidence that Coupon Type 1's should be included in the T-206 set. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Darren
See Ted's ABCD thread. |
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Posted By: Darren
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The Subjects of the T213-1's that I am familiar with are from the T206 350 & 350/460 Series. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Greg B.
There was a complete T213-I set sold in Mastro within the past 3 years, can't remember the details, but if someone has the catalogue it would give a pretty difinitive list...interesting topic. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Dave Hornish
I wonder if the designation is different for Coupons because they are a Louisiana issue. There always seemed to be a bright line drawn between ATC and Louisana collectors way back in the day. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Dave Hornish
Brian, I'm sorry-your post is not specific enough and I'm going to need more detail |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The following 20 (T206) Subjects from the Southern League (8 teams) are included in the T213-1 set. |
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Posted By: Jon Canfield
Thanks Ted - that's exactly what I was looking for. |
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Posted By: Darren
Ted, |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Try reading this document regarding the PEOPLE'S TOBACCO CO. of Louisana and it should provide more detail regarding Brian W's post. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
The majority of T213-1's (except the 20 - So. Lgers.) are the same Subjects that fit the A-B-C-D pattern of the T206's. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
And, a Happy Father's Day to you, too....ole Buddy. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
John Scott emailed me with an interesting point. John feels that the T213-1 cards should really be classified as an "ASSORTED" |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: boxingcardman
I've always wondered why carve out the same-front type 1s from T206 and group them with the quite different type 2 and type 3 cards. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: leon
While Burdick definitely made a few mistakes (W503, H801-7 etc...) I still feel the T213's are correctly categorized. All 3 series got put in with Coupon Cigarettes and should be in the same category...to me it still makes the most sense. regards |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: barrysloate
T213-1 is a fascinating issue because it seems to straddle two different sets. It's shares a Coupon ad back with the later series 2 and 3, and it conforms to the design of the T206 A-B-C-D backs, making it appear to be a T206. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Your T206 Brooklyn guys....Dunn, Hunter, Lennox, Marshall, and McElveen are only found with one ASSORTED brand....TOLSTOI. |
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Posted By: Brian Weisner
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Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Show us some more of your DRUM's......we don't often see enough of them. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Four Frank Delehanty cards illustrating an actual example of the A-B-C-D connection. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
One of my several A-B-C combinations waiting for a DRUM to complete the connection. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
Another one of my several A-B-C combinations waiting for a DRUM to complete the connection. |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: johnny
TED!!! |
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T206 DRUM's....and their "A-B-C-D connection"
Posted By: Ted Zanidakis
That Piedmont 460 Fac. 42 caught my eye instantly. I have never seen one with a dark blue back |
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