Baltimore Shirt Co. What are these???

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Posted By: Dave F

Sorry...I know I've posted a few threads the past couple days...been on a bit of a kick trying to find info on some of the more peculiar sets. I was going through a member's site today and noticed they just picked up a Baltimore Shirt Company card. Does anyone have any info on these? They look to be a picture of sorts glued to a piece of paper....am I off? Does anyone know how many are in the set, and who all is in the set?? Anybody care to throw out a value of what these are worth? I'll try to refrain from starting up another thread for a couple days after this...

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Posted By: Zinn

1923. Came in accordian style form. Blank back affixed to cardboard backing. Am told SGC will not holder. Value $200-$250.

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Posted By: Dave F

Thanks for posting that one Zinn. His had alot more of the backing showing...obviously not going to post his card on here, but maybe he'll see this and feel inclined.

I wonder why SGC wouldn't grade these if they are confirmed as an issue? I thought they would holder alot of uncirculated cards to begin with.

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Posted By: Zinn

Mine has about a quarter sized piece of the backing still attached. Haven't tried to submit it just going by what I was told.

Edit: Seem to recall that SGC will not grade if backing removed. Maybe that's it.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

They probably won't holder them because they were not meant to be taken apart....holdering this issue will only tempt people to destroy intact booklets. I lost out on one of these a year or so back to Veangregg on ebay that was not listed very well....my snipe was too low as usual.

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Posted By: leon

The set has 21 players in it. SGC will grade either ones with or without the backing as AUT. I feel they should be given numerical grades especially if they are going to grade strip cards. Just my biased opinion though...This set is one accordian style strip and is missing the manager, Muehlebach..(These will most likely be in an upcoming Brockelman and Luckey Auction)..regards

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

IMO grading these would be like grading the end pieces off of a T202. Only the end pieces have advertising on the reverse which leads me to believe they were not meant to be taken apart.

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Posted By: leon

Guess we can agree to disagree. These are not one card they are seperate cards on a strip of paper. IMO they are more individual than strip cards that get numeric grades. I doubt there is a definitive answer but I look at what they put grades on...such as notebook cut outs (I think) and strip cards and feel these should get the same grading standards. With respect to that I have ALWAYS thought strip cards should only get an AUT and not a number, but if they numerically grade one, they should do them all.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I think we can agree that if they are going to grade them that they be only 'Authentic'. I am 100% convinced this item was not made to be taken apart.

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Posted By: Peter Thomas

I have one that I sent in and is now graded SGC A.

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Posted By: dan mckee

I agree with Dan 100%. If not in full acordion style then it is a partial card like a T202 end panel.

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Posted By: leon

I see how it is now. The Dans ganging up on me. That's ok......I can take my lumps. I'll leave it at agreeing to disagree. BTW, SCD agrees with me as they price them individually....have a good one.

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Posted By: Matt

These are definitely different then T202 end panels in that the actual cardboard cards are separate; they are all affixed to the same paper backing, but categorically different from T202 end panels which are part of the same piece of cardboard and cut into pieces.

Dans - Based on your logic of the grade having to do with how the manufacturer intended the cards to be, are you suggesting that these cards, which are factory cut as separate pieces of cardboard should only have an 'A 'designation, but strip cards, which are cut by the buyer should get number grades?

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Posted By: Zinn

I'm going to go one step further and even disagree with Leon (sorry Boss)

These are NOT like strip cards. These are individual cards that just happen to be affixed to a strip of cardboard. But like strip cards I'm sure that the intention was that they be separated and collected as individual cards.

In separating the cards the card itself is not affected as there is a strip of backing between each card.

To suggest (with all due respect to Dan and Dan) that these are akin to end panels on 202's is ludicrous.

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Posted By: Dan Bretta

I stick by my suggestion that cutting these apart is like cutting T202 end pieces in that neither were intended to be dismantled, and as such they should not be given a grade other than "A" so as not to tempt people into cutting the item up. Can you imagine what would happen to T202's if PSA started slabbing with a grade the pieces???

And for the record I don't think strip cards should be graded anything other than "A" as well.