Can anyone help me assess a t222 Ghost Print

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

I was going through a group of t222s that arrived last week and noticed that one has the reverse of another card "ghost printed" on the front. I've never seen this in a t222 before so I was wondering how you all would value this card and if too many of these exist.

Aside from the ghost print, the card is unfortunately short top to bottom. It's in pretty nice shape though with a couple thin wrinkles running through it.

Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks guys,

Brian
redmaccie@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

Have you tried soaking the Reulbach in water? That is obviously the ink from the back of another Fatima card, and may well be where it was stacked atop before dry.

I've not thought about it, but what you have suggests that the photo part of the card was developed first, then the back was printed, then the sheets were cut into cards.

I'm doubtful soaking would loosen that ink, but it might. I've never soaked a T222 before, you might proceed with a bit of caution if you try it.


Nice Perdue!!!

Frank.

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

I would never recommend soaking a T222, because they are real photos and the gloss will come off the front. There was a bunch that were soaked out of a scrapbook a few years back, and then they were sold by a well known auction company. Unfortunately SGC then graded them with a numerical grade when they should have been graded, at best, authentic due to the loss of gloss on the front.

Patrick

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Posted By: Brian McQueen

Hi Frank,

Thanks for the response. Well, I wouldn't want to remove the ink. Even if this has rendered the card worthless, I still think it's a pretty neat printing anomaly so I'd want to keep it as is. Not that I'm the best soaker anyway - I've never tried!

But basically I was wondering if others have seen t222s show up like this and if this was a gaffe that has been seen before in this set or something pretty unique. Also, if you were to place a fair value on this card given the overprint and the trimming across the top, what would it be?

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

I've not seen that on T222s before...


And I think Patrick may well be correct about the image surface losing its gloss. There is a way to do that, a photographer could explain it, I think. But I think a casual soaking may well make things worse, as Patrick suggests.

Being a big Reulbach fan, it is a shame that his card has the problem. But it is fortunate that the one that is cut wrong (too much bottom border, then the top trimmed too close) is also the one with the transferred ink.

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Posted By: Patrick McMenemy

Hi Brian,

As I'm sure you know, Bill Cornell is the expect on the T222 set. I have seen other T222s with this bleed through characteristic." Other pre-war sets that can exhibit this problem include sets such as M116 Sporting Life, and E92 Crofts.

Patrick

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Posted By: scott brockelman

1. it is not a bleed through it is a wet sheet transfer and often seen on T222's

2. Do not soak these cards, as someone else wrote, these are not like soaking a litho card. It will damage the T222's