Jim Crandell - Can you start this?

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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka

I've been a participant in the Non-Sport "TAKE A PENNY - LEAVE A PENNY" box. The idea is pure trading for the shear joy of collecting.
Instead of focusing on the $$$ value of cards you take cards from the box you get and replace them with the same number of cards - just collecting the way Burdick & et al used to do it.
We need some one to start a circulating Vintage Box going. Because Jim Crandell has expressed so much concern about improving the hobby I hope he would be willing to get this started.

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Posted By: 1880nonsports

that while a little of this give and take is tolarable - starting a thread to bait someone seems weak. Probably better ways to express it. I imagine this was precipitated by the 380 and rising Kevin post. I am in no way singling you out as the only person to get embroiled in what is more a personality issue than anything else. Jim's views and the views of the more vocal "playahs" have been expressed by not only themselves but many others with the endless CUTTING AND PASTING - rehashing old issues - whatever. The attack and defend strategy - constant back and forth allusions and implications of whatever prior acts - people suddenly coming out and posting with sides chosen regardless of the issue or thread intent - and a litany of non-responsive or self-serving dialog follows that tends to dominate many threads - moreso lately but I am mostly new here and often mearly a lurker. I suppose I am in some way contributing to the problem by responding on any thread that has little to do with cards or related issues. I am going to try and not comment in the future on issues that don't pertain to the board's criteria (explained in the rules section).

Woven in each thread are people who are honestly doing their best to respond to the question and/or redirect the thread on track.

Other than baseball cards - the occasional OT or late night induced stream of C.... I wish people would refrain from this crap the majority of the time. Really. I like to look at many threads and it gets old quickly. I could look away but in general I was interested in the topic to begin with = and might miss something Important offered by people that just want to keep things going as intended. It was my nickle. Let me repeat that this is not an attack on any one individual - rather it is directed at the collective responsible whole (er ah holes.....?).

(edited to add only the following - I appreciate the non-investment side of the hobby as well as an albeit hopeful expectation that my things will at least hold their value - enabling me to procure items I otherwise couldn't afford. I do not ask others to accept it for themselves - nor do in any way expect them to justify their reasons. Most often a collector will LYK where their interest/love/passion comes from. I apllaud the NS side box idea. I really only collect the earliest issues - but it's a fun way to go and harkens to an earlier and simpler time. While I would doubt the viabilty of such a project here due to the logistics in such a large population -(+ there would be a lot of arguing coming down to the smallest of details that would end up unrailing the whole project anyway - maybe people would want to talk about such thing. I think this simple "sharing" kind of idea and the "spirit" it might engender in some - is now lost because the issue has been obfuscated by the personalization......)

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Actually something of this manner was started a few years ago. Not sure who started it up, but a card was offered, the first one to respond received the card but then had to offer up an equal value card. I know it went trough about 20 people but not quite sure why or how it ended. A person was allowed to only do this once so it was not dominated by one person. I believe it was a thread on the board, but don't remember for sure.

Lee

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Posted By: Ben

Here is the original thread from a few years ago:

http://tinyurl.com/384w9d

It ended up being fairly successful with a number of people getting cards they actually needed for their collections.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jerry,

Not for me but if you knew me you would see me as someone who collects for the joy of collecting. I am a set collector and would get as much joy finding the final card in PSA 8 in my 1974 Topps Deckle Edge Set or my 1958 TV Westerns set as getting a beautiful PSA 8 1933 Goudey Ruth.

Good luck.

Jim

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Posted By: PC

Ah yes, the incomparable joy and innate goodness of a PSA 8.

Collecting PSA 7s just don't satisfy. It's like having oreos without the milk.

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Posted By: pas

On this of all days can people let the Jim bashing alone? The last comment was ridiculous.

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Posted By: leon

I will second that motion....Lets give Peace a chance today....please...

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Posted By: G. Maines

Although his login is War Hound, I do not believe that Jerry's intent here was other than the sharing of a suggestion which has resulted in an increase in the enjoyment of our hobby for him, and others.

Currently circulating among collectors are boxes of about 50 cards each in the areas of: '50s baseball, '50s non-sports, and '30s&'40s non-sports. This has been working well.

I do not believe that a similar approach would be as successful in pre-war baseball, however, the method identified by Lee, Ben, and others looks like a good alternate.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

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Posted By: Paul S

Gil is humble. There is a '50s "dupe box" circulating right now on the post-war side of the board, initiated and stocked by both his and Jim VB's generous selves (apologies if I left someone out.) Every seems to be having a good time with it.

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Posted By: marty quinn

what was the reason for that jerry???......like 1880 nonsports says, not nice to try and bait, you deserve what jim gives you...wether you agree with jim or not does not give you the right to start a thread about him? sounds like you mildly picked a fight here...oh, before i forget...IMHO...

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Posted By: peter chao

I like the idea of a dupe box...but I would like to put a spin on it. Let's say you want to take 5 cards from the box that you recieved, you would then replace it with 6 cards. If you take 10 then you replace it with 11 and so on.

The only problem is I don't even have 50 pre-war cards so I can't start it, but I would certainly support efforts towards starting one. And obviously, it's not necessary that Jim starts it.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Peter, I'm sorry, that last post of yours is priceless.

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Posted By: barrysloate

But Peter- what if you take ten Ty Cobbs out of the box and replace them with eleven Gabby Streets?

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Barry, interesting spin you put on Peter's idea.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

I tell ya. You just can't make up this stuff. Truly a classic. Long live Peter C.

Peter, just curious if there are other chat boards, unrelated to our hobby, that you frequent. If so can you email me with those links?

Thanks for reminding me what to be thankful for.

Greg

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Greg, just to give you a hint: should you forward those links to me that would make one fine Hannukkah gift.

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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

So, what does one do to "support" this endeavor without cards to contribute? Write a letter to the editor at the New York Times?

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Posted By: peter chao

Actually, if you got rid of the idea of dupes, I could contribute. That doesn't seem like a necessary rule. The reason for leaving more cards than you are taking out is putting the emphasis on giving more than you are taking. If that is the spirit, then the person/persons that start the ball rolling will have a wider selection to choose from when they get the box back.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

My question is who keeps the cards in the end or do you get to a point where you take out 2 cards and put in on and than when it s to one card you reverse it, boy this sounds like lots of fun when do we start. Maybe we can start with Peter C's collection. Oh, you need cards to start it so that would be a bad idea.

Damn another good idea shot down. I will have to think of something else while I am eating my turkey.

Lee

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Posted By: PC

Peter S. -- coming from the one the leading Chao bashers, I found your post humorous, and more than a little hypocritical.

Nonetheless, Peter S. is correct, and I apologize to Jim. I've generally agreed with Jim in the past, and this thread and my post were not constructive.

Yet somehow, even this thread has devolved into another bashing of Peter C. (Not that I don't agree that Peter C. has brought much of this on himself.)

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Posted By: Bob Pomilla

"Actually, if you got rid of the idea of dupes, I could contribute."

Who would know if you were putting in dupes or not, anyway?

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Posted By: peter chao

PC,

Peter S. is no longer on my list of "keystone cops." Furthermore, I don't consider constructive criticism to be Chao bashing. It's obvious that I could contribute only few cards when the box comes my way. But I definitely plan to give more than I receive.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Peter C,

I am pretty sure you have already given far more than you have received. Jeff, am I wrong?

Greg

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Greg, very true.

And to be on Peter's list of anything...is just so special...that I feel the need to add some and note that this is all in good fun.

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Posted By: Bill

Wow, nothing like taking a good idea and turning it into a "Let's trash Jim C. and Peter C." thread.

Whenever I see a post by Peter C., whether it be on topic or not, I can always count on 1-2 particular people who post within the next five responses bashing Peter C.

Anyway, the idea was a good one.

Change your socks, drink water, and drive on.

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Posted By: pas

Indeed, I have morphed from a basher to a disciple.
Well.....

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Jerry has started a multi-thread attack on me--three different threads--and on Thanksgiving!

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Posted By: pas

Jim, not even Peter C. can boast that distinction.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

Just think what he is going to do on Christmas.

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Posted By: Jerry Hrechka

Sorry Jim - My intent was not to attack you or anyone else. I was expresing my opinions on the other threads.
I came home late from work , on Wed Night, and the fact that it was early Thanksgiving morning never entered my mind.
I had a tremendous amount of fun with the NonSports Box and was hoping something similar could be done here. The reason I asked Jim to start it was not to attack or belittle him in any way. My impression was that he had an extremely large collection and was the person most likely to have enough dupes to start something like this. Obviously I was wrong.
The next time there is a Brou-Ha-Ha like this one I will keep my mouth shut.

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Posted By: peter chao

When you talk about 50 prewar cards, even if they were all commons you are probably still talking about $500 worth of cards to start the box. That's probably too much to expect from any one individual. But if two or more individuals started the box it would work out well.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Ben

Why does it have to start with 50 cards? That's pretty unrealistic. Like we did it last time: one person posts a single prewar card as available. The person who claims it would then be responsible for keeping the ball rolling and posting another available prewar card. And so on.

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Posted By: peter chao

Ben,

That's a pretty good idea. Now if you add the idea of if you take 2 and leave 3, then the box would continue to grow and more people will get involved. Finally, the person who started the ball rolling would get a box back with a dozen or more cards.

Peter C.

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Posted By: Paul S

...he starts the box with a single Gabby Street and gets back a dozen.