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Posted By: David Davis
Brucie, |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Bruce, shouldn't the question be, where did you get the tax returns to determine who the board members are that cannot afford o buy a Mastro catalogue? You are the one the made socio-economic statements, no Mike. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I am NOT envious nor jealous. In fact, here is a card I consigned to Mastro back in 2001. Anyone can see the "preparation" Mastro did to this card (1st scan is before and second scan is the after pic). Instead of being jealous, Jay Behrens, Jim Crandell, myself and MANY other true collectors would really simply LOVE TO SEE MASTRO BE HONEST AND CLEAN UP THEIR ACT, INSTEAD OF CLEANING UP CARDS! |
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Posted By: MikeU
"It is an indictment of Mastro if they're using strongarm tactics to manipulate the authentication business. That said, we're only getting one side of the story here." |
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Posted By: john
????????? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
Straight from Websters, with apologies to Bruce for not using Oxford's Unabridged |
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Posted By: David Davis
Correct spelling is "obstreperous". It means to be stubbornly defiant and aggressively boisterous. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I believe Bruce types his posts with the same Thesaurus Mastro uses to concoct their auction descriptions with. |
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Posted By: barrysloate
Thanks Scott. I'm a firm believer in being succinct. The cards and the pictures speak for themselves...and does anybody really read all that drivel? |
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Posted By: jay behrens
I do. With so few decent comics in the newspaper anymore, I need to find my laughs anywhere I can. |
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Posted By: John
Oh Bruce...Bruce...Bruce..Bruce...ahhhhh |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
I hate to be the grammar/spelling cop tonight, but when one is as arrogant as Bruce and speaks (types) like he's the King of England shouldn't he at least be able to spell? |
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Posted By: Dan Bretta
Scott, what did you do when you noticed Mastro "prepared" your card? Did they mention the "preparations" they made in the description? |
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Posted By: Mark L
Scott-- whatever you think about preparation, you have to admit they did a pretty nice job on that card. What do you suppose they used? |
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Posted By: scott brockelman
I just realized that most of the known T207 Red Cross cards came from the same collector that adhered them with the same glue as all the T215 Red Cross cards which are normally found with the same yucky brown bugger at the top. |
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Posted By: shelly jaffe
I will begin this piece by saying I can not spell. I will make mistakes. I am not perfect. Now that I said that I will vent. What is wrong with you people. This is not a joke, it is a problem that you look at and you laugh I went to prison because it was easy to cheat and lie to people. Its not funny. You trust people to do the right thing. You send items to be authenticated and graded and when your cheated it cost you money. If Masto fixed that card it as bad as forgery or any other crime. You made money cheating someone. If you doctored a card and sold it as authentic you cheated people.I talked to Leon today and I asked him what is the difference between a club house sig and a forgery. His answer was there is no difference. It is the same with cards. If you change what that card is it is no longer authentic. I find it insulting to see grown men make fools out of themselves. I put that article up to show you what is happening over and over again in this hobby. Your answers at the start where important and then as usual you make fun of yourself's. This is a forum for people who care what is happening to this hobby. I have spent the last seven years trying to make up for something I did. Now I look at the replies on this site and find out that most of you don't care so long its in your best interest. Well I will tell you that if it keeps going the way it is your cards and this hobby will be like Confederate Money. Stop this BS and care what the hell is happening out there. |
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Posted By: Scot Reader
I used to view claims of preferential grading by PSA for large customers with some skepticism; however, I find it hard to understand Mr. Allen's email quotes as expressing anything other than a claim that Mastro could have obtained from PSA a preferential grade on the ball simply because it is Mastro. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I knew of the "alteration" "cleaning" "preparation" (whatever Doug Allen is calling it this week) before the auction catalog came out. I was getting out of collecting and consigned the card directly to Doug Allen in/around 2001. I was going to post the description, but it was too large and I had to cut out the pic of the card itself and omit the description Mastro provided in the catalog. I know Doug has said different since, but when he contacted me via phone, he said the "cleaning" of the card would only require a Q-Tip and bleach. I was against it, as I don't believe in alterations. PLUS, I thought the card would sell better without cleaning, since people would recongnize the back as the card being in Lipset's Encyclopedia. Without the "bugger" at the top, as Scott B. refers to, I thought people would not recognize the card from Lipset's Encyclopedia. To make a long story short, I agreed to the cleaning, as I was getting out of the Hobby (which lasted a couple of years), and Mastro cleaned the card, listed it WITHOUT stating anything about the cleaning and sold it - end of story. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
the four Red Cross T207's from the LA find all had the "bugger" at the top, as well as the T215's from the find. |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
from the Mastro auction. |
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Posted By: paul
Not THE Shelley Jaffe? |
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Posted By: joebrennan
"What is particularly interesting to us is that many of the lead attackers don't |
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Posted By: DJ
I will quote Comte de Lautreamont: "Poetry must be made by all and not by one." |
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Posted By: joebrennan
"I will quote Comte de Lautreamont: "Poetry must be made by all and not by one." |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
Believe it or not, there are those who are turned off by the "class warfare" that goes on here. I guess I know b/c I am one of them. I went from making nice money in the insurance business to being disabled in no time at all it seems. My monthly income now is just enough to cover the bills and pay for my double wide (which was recently made fun of by the forum owner here). I don't live in a 6000 square foot home, nor refer to myself in the plural. However, I love this Hobby just as much, if not more, than people who look down on the "armpit" collectors like myself. |
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Posted By: leon
If you say one more peep about me, or make a reference towards me, you will be banned forever from this forum.....Period.... |
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Posted By: jay behrens
And here I thought you were allowed to post anything as long as it was true and you put your name to it. |
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Posted By: davidcycleback
"I am the son of a man and a woman, from I have been told. This astonishes me. I thought I was something more." |
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Posted By: jay behrens
David, lol. Great line. I've never heard of the guy. But then again, my reading is pretty much limited so sci-fi and fantasy and books by H P Lovecraft. |
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Posted By: shelly jaffe
Paul, i am the Shelly Jaffe who was Eddie and I am the same Shelly Jaffe that found UDA selling a $85000 card that was phony. I don't know who you are but I never hid who I am. What I said here is true. If you have problem with what I did that is fine but if you have a problem with what i said here I feel sorry for you. I am a bad guy I did every thing that was said about me but I have the balls to admit it. Where are yours when it come to what is taking place today not yesterday. You want to talk about me that is fine. Leon knows about me and trusts that what I say is fact not fiction. I know more about what went on this hobby than you ever will. If you doubt what I am saying ask the big boys. Heitman, Hughes, Mastro, Spence and the list goes on. I just want the bull s-it to stop. If you have problem with that then so be it. There is no one on this site that didn't know who I was. I also find it surprising that you didn't read that I said I went to jail for what I did. I am a person who made a mistake and people are now asking for my help to make sure it doesn't happen to other people. If you have a problem with that, I guess you don't really care who cheats, who lies or who steals. Oh and by the way every peron that bought from me was paid back and if you have the nerve call Tim Fitzsimmons at the San Diego FBI and ask him what he thinks about me.1-858-565-1255. Now if you have anymore questions please list them. |
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Posted By: Kenny Cole
Because Crandall, for all his pious purported discussion about cleaning up the hobby, was (and still seems to be) absolutely unwilling to donate even 1 of his precious 25,000 slabbed cards to be looked at, especially those that are probably altered. Since that graded/altered card thing is his thesis, he has zero credibility. Leading from behind generally doesn't work. |
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Posted By: DJ
David, |
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Posted By: shelly jaffe
Paul, I would advice anyone that has not read about me to google Shelly Jaffe and they will find the same in depth reporting that you did. You will also notice that its from 6 years ago. It also tells you that there is a lot more bad people out there. Are you one of them? |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
in order to fund a recent purchase. Sorry, I must sell cards in order to obtain others I want, as I don't have unlimited funds. |
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Posted By: JimB
I hate to participate in this, but I can't let this one pass. |
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Posted By: Kevin Sacuier
"Because Crandall, for all his pious purported discussion about cleaning up the hobby, was (and still seems to be) absolutely unwilling to donate even 1 of his precious 25,000 slabbed cards to be looked at, especially those that are probably altered." |
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Posted By: rand
this board offers incredible knowledge, opinions, and life experience in this ever so complicated hobby. the topic of this thread touches on the largest fear of the grading aspect of the hobby, PSA being biased, and not truly acting as an independant 3rd party. |
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Posted By: John
"Because Crandall, for all his pious purported discussion about cleaning up the hobby, was (and still seems to be) absolutely unwilling to donate even 1 of his precious 25,000 slabbed cards to be looked at, especially those that are probably altered." |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I gave in to Doug Allen on the T207 Red Cross, b/c he insisted and I was getting out of the Hobby at the time. I did NOT alter the card. I did NOT even bring up anything about it. Doug Allen contacted me about it and kept insisting. They had my card at the time. If I would have made Doug mad, what would he have done? I don't know. I thought it best to let them do what they wanted, me get the money for my card and leave the Hobby for a while. Hell, I didn't want to say no and have Mastro return my card to me in two halves! |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
This thread gets better by the second. I love threads like this. I can't bear to look away. |
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Posted By: Tony
I am an idiot and got banned.... |
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Posted By: E, Daniel
Nice seeing you at the national, even if it was only on the bus ride . |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Hi Daniel! |
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Posted By: Tony
I am an idiot and got banned |
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Posted By: Scott Elkins
I NEVER passed off any card that was altered. Hell, I don't even know how to alter a card (NEVER HAVE, as I would be afraid of ruining it). Fact is, Jim B. was trying to blame me for what Doug Allen and Mastro did. Fact is Jim B. is probably still mad b/c I questioned a "Proof" Ty Cobb with Ty Cobb back he bought from Mastro and sold to someone who reads this board (I still have the e-mails from Jim asking that I NOT say anything negative about that card on this board, as the person he sold the card to reads this board). |
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Posted By: JimB
Scott, |
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Posted By: Al C.risafulli
Scott: |
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Posted By: JimB
Is this the e-mail you are referring to? I am not at all ashamed of what I said. Your insinuations that the card was fake were reckless and unfair to the current owner. And FYI, I had completely forgotton about this when I pointed out the irony of your current musings. |
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Posted By: JimB
By the way, I have the e-mail response in which you say that you have NO proof. |
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Posted By: shelly jaffe
Ps. Tony. And who better than I to know all the bad people that are still out there. If HBO, SCD,New York Times, The New York Daily News, Richard Simon, Jsa, and the FBI trust what I am doing then you opinion is mute. |
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