a major problem

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Posted By: peter chao

Let's put Seinfeld, digressions, and grammar lessons all in the category of "asides" and limit them. If we don't limit them the thread will probably end up being hijacked.

Peter

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Posted By: Joann

Gads. I'm with Zinn. I don't even know what to say.

Barry - I'm fine with the Seinfeld references. I don't think they are any different than the hundred other comments people insert into threads.

I'm still trying to figure out how this all becomes a Seinfeld referendum. I understand Jay's original point about sidetracks in general, but somehow this has turned into a very directed discussion.

Personally, I have to say it sounds like a few cases of sour grapes or something here. Maybe a few are going after the topic as an opportunity to take shots at Barry individually. I think a few others may be still po'd about the recent tightening on starting OT threads and see this as a chance to knock the next guy.

Whatever the hell it is - sheesh.

Oh - and I like the grammar and spelling comments too. It's one of those little idiosyncrasies of the board that makes it kind of fun. And Lord knows some of it is needed. The only time I object to it is when someone uses grammar as a hammer (hee) when they are debating another topic with someone and can't win on the merits of their argument. Same thing as playing the income card. Then it's deplorable. But the good-natured stuff? Fine with me.

Joann

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Posted By: Mark

No Cobby, when the original poster wrote "your welcome," he committed a spelling mistake, just like when someone intends to write "principle" but mistakingly writes "principal." The poster did not either make an error in puctuation or use poor grammar (e.g., "you is welcome").

My point was that "People who live in glass houses should not throw stones."

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Posted By: barrysloate

I give up. I guess I can't make everybody happy.

P.S.- my next auction starts June 7 and since it will be the first one with online bidding, I expect the phone won't be ringing nearly as much. So since I might get a little bored during the auction, I invite everyone to please call just to chat. Perhaps Seinfeld would be a good topic of conversation. Thank you.

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Posted By: peter chao

Blame it all on Jay, he started this thread. No seriously, none of us blame Barry. Actually, he was the first Net54 member that made me feel at home posting on this board. We are just trying to limit "asides" so that threads are not hijacked.

Peter

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Posted By: Gilbert Maines

If you do not know what to say to Joe P., you have chosen wisely.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Thanks for the kind words.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Who lives in the glass house and who's throwing the stones? Apparently I missed something (which wouldn't be the first time, I might add).

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Barry,
I'm as guilty as anyone when it comes to Seinfeld, but in my experience it's as American as Apple Pie and Chevy. I don't think any of us intend on taking over a thread with Seinfeld trivia, but sometimes it just happens.
I'll take 35% or more of the Seinfeld blame. Be well Brian
PS Jeff, you have to take some....


Hi Joe,
I haven't spoken to you in awhile, but would enjoy talking to you about cards whenever you have time. Friends can disagree, but I don't think a few Seinfeld references will hurt the board;in fact I believe it keeps some threads from turning into neagtive tirades that will never be solved.
I'm still waiting on you to get a scanner, so I can see your Doyle.. or get you butt on down to NC where I can fix you dinner and see it in person.
Chill my friend Brian


Hi Jay,
I doubt I'll stop throwing in Seinfeld references, unless Leon mandates it, but I don't think I have ever hijacked a thread with one. My best to Lee.

Be well to all, Brian

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Posted By: barrysloate

The whole thread is getting too convoluted- but I won't dare hijack it. Maybe it's time to put it to bed.

Hi Brian- we both enjoy it, and usually exchange a few laughs, but I seem to get all the grief. I guess I'll have to make this the Summer of Barry.

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Posted By: Jeff Lichtman

Brian, Jeff takes no responsibility for the Seinfeld references. In fact, Jeff's going to get you for even suggesting that he would dare to post Seinfeld references out here.

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

It's the obligatory: Barry on the Cross scene.

He's got his Martyr speech down to perfection.

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Posted By: Zinn

Come on Barry, you just have to tell us the story.

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Posted By: barrysloate

What story?

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Posted By: Zinn

The obvious rift between you and Joe P.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Well, as I see it, Joe feels I hijack too many threads, and has attacked me for it quite vociferously.

And I feel Joe makes little to no contribution on the board, speaking in cryptic sentences that I or few others understand.

I thought we were making a little headway, but we seem to have taken a step backward today. I guess it wasn't meant to be.

Of course, every story has two sides, so hopefully Joe will tell his side too.

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Posted By: Mark

Cobby, it's merely an expression; in this case it means that people should not harp on others' spelling/grammar unless their own mastery of the English language is beyond reproach.

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

Why is it that in some circles, the truth is sometimes called an attack?

Why is it that the most sensitive, in most cases, are the perpetrators of insensitivities?

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Jeff
Brian doesn't like misunderstandings...., but he does like Marisa Tomei.. I'll get you Lichtman... Be well Brian

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Posted By: peter chao

What happened to the smiley faces. Avoid personal attacks and focus on the conduct involved and we will all have more smiles on our faces.

Peter

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Posted By: jay behrens

You guys have hijacked my thread. You all owe me a crappy common

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Mark- That's funny you posted that picture. That cover was the first time I ever heard that term and every time hence, I picture that album cover. Anyhow, I agree, since nobody is perfect grammatically, or otherwise. My comment was simply a vignette on a pet peeve. I clarified it by saying that people's grammar, spelling, etc. on here doesn't concern me.

Jay- I have some '87 Topps commons you are welcome to!

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Posted By: jay behrens

they have to be pre-ww2

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Joe- if you feel what you say is the truth then I accept that and you win.

See- problem solved. Wasn't that easy?

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Posted By: JK

I dont know about the rest of you, but I'd prefer reading a few hundred off topic Seinfeld posts than read one of Joe's cryptic, nead a decoder ring to understand, posts.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Joe is not writing for the board. He's writing for his own entertainment.

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Posted By: Joe Pelaez

"Joe- if you feel what you say is the truth then I accept that and you win.

See- problem solved. Wasn't that easy?"

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I was willing to drop this, but it appears that Barry is experiencing an unusual false sense of confidence which can be brought on when you mix Viagra and coffee early in the morning.

Again I say to Barry, I'm not trying to win anything.
I'm not the one that's trying to promote a potential lose/lose situation.

It starts off innocently, and they are great, but it also has the potential of defeating Leon's fight for a VBC Forum.

If one needs a Seinfeld Fix .. start a Seinfeld chat room.
Some of you, guys are fantastic with the material.
Barry could be the Master of Ceremonies. ... show guaranteed to go on for years.

Anyway, here's the replay.
In order to get the feel of the evolution of an innocent hijack, you have to read each slot in the order of appearance.
A few of us don't come off pretty, AND THAT INCLUDES ME.


http://www.network54.com/Forum/153652/message/1109903803/Moses+Fleetwood+Walker--+humm

Thank you for the courtesy of reading this.
Joe Pelaez

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Posted By: Cat

It's funny, I still think about that SNL skit to this day.

The funniest part, at least as I remember it, is when the banker looks down (and to this point the auidience doesn't know what name Eddie Murphy has chosen to see how white people are treated in a "white world") at his loan application. He states: "well let's see here....misterrrrrr WHITE."

Classic!

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Posted By: Brad

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Posted By: jay behrens

I'd just like to point out to all the people that think it's OK to post off topic on what they think is dead, that what you think is a dead thread may not be dead. Just look at MW's reintroduction of The Card thread. Certain people thought it was dead or wanted the topic swept under the rug. MW started the thread again and immediately someone tried to hijack the thread. Fortunately, better minds prevailed and MWs thread and talk about The Card has proven to be one of the better threads this board has ever seen.

So the next time you self-appointed thread killers think a thread is dead, why not take your Seindfeld trivia, or whatever it is you want to talk about, and attach it to one of the never ending "Show me your..." threads. Hijacking one of those threads isn't going to stifle a potentially great thread.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: dennis

i don't know what anyone else thinks but i'm really sick of the you tube links posted in any thread.

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Posted By: Brad

Jay & Dennis,

If you guys had it your way' net54 would be a very stale place!

Q: Must there be a balance on this bored?

A: I take the good' with the bad in most situations in life, this bored shouldn't be any different!



Regarding my utubing: I'm only reacting to other off topic comments towards me or other bored members

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Posted By: barrysloate

I say everybody needs to relax and enjoy themselves. That's what the board means to me. When I can share my knowledge of the hobby, I'm not bashful and I'm the first one to post my opinion or knowledge about any hobby related topic. When I want to just have some fun and kick back a little I do so, and I owe nobody an apology. If I veer a thread off topic, everyone is free to hop right back on. And I'll hop back on along with them.

There is no major problem on the board, it has been running very smoothly for months, and I think everybody needs to lighten up. As far as I'm concerned, this is a non-issue.

And I will defend that position all day long.

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Posted By: Dan Kravitz

Barry,

I agree!

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Posted By: Bill Stone

I agree with Barry --while I am waiting for his auction to start I think I will relax and go read my mother's Glamour magazine.

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Posted By: barrysloate

Bill- I don't have to tell you the trouble you can get into reading Glamour!

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Posted By: peter chao

Jay,

The fact that this thread has gone over a 100 posts indicates that board members have taken your complaint seriously. Also, I'm sure that you understand our view, that we are here to have some fun discussing our collections. I don't see why both views can't coexist on this board. We just have to realize the Board just isn't perfect.

But the hobby itself meets a wide range of needs from people who collect for fun to the serious scholar of early 20th century baseball. So let's all find our own way of enjoying the hobby.

Peter

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Posted By: jay behrens

I'm all for having fun, but several people that like to post OT stuff in an active thread claim they do it because the thread is dead. The first thread about The Card was derailed, either on purpose or accidently. There are those here that would like to see that whole issue just go away.

The point is, who decides which thread is dead? Obviously, there was a lot left to talk about in The Card thread. Fighting through an OT post in the middle of an active thread is very hard because it takes on its own life and people that want to talk about the topic get discouraged because they have to wade through a bunch of crap to get to the stuff that is on topic.

As I said before, if you really find it necessary to post OT, do it in one of the Show Me Your... threads. If the claim is true that you start OT posts in dead threads, then these types of threads should be hotbeds for OT posts. You won't be killing off what could be an interesting and important thread.

I don't want to lay the blame only on those who start the OT stuff. Those that find it necessary to make an additional comment are just as guilty, if not more guilty, because then others feel it's OK to jump into. This makes keeping the thread on topic very difficult.

If it came down to brass tacks, I don't mind funny asides, etc, it's the people that have to jump in on those comments that irk me more than anything because that leads to the hijacking process and essentially kills a thread, whether it's dead or not.

Jay

I love pinatas. You get to beat the crap of something and get rewarded with candy.

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Posted By: peter chao

Jay,

You brought up a good point. There is a difference between having a right and exercising that right. Yes, we all have the right to post O/T comments once in a while, but we don't have to exercise that right. Common courtesy goes far here. If people are having a serious discussion about studio cabinet cards, then it would be a mistake to intrude with comments about the Simpsons, Cheers, I Love Lucy, or whatever.

Peter

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Posted By: barrysloate

Some of Jay's points are certainly valid and I agree it's not my place or anyone else's to determine if a thread is dead. In general, the more interesting and intense the discussion, the less likely it is to be hijacked.