T206 Southern League Official Pop Report

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Posted By: Dave F

I wanted to try and see on the board the pop's members here have of SL'gers. Would be interesting with the debates about the Shaughnessy and such if it really is much more rare than thought. Obvoiusly it may not be very precise with what is actually out there...but lets see. We don't have to post scans, that would take forever. But just a list of which southern leaguers you have, and how many? Please...only list the cards you currently have, not the ones you had.



11. Persons 26
12. Cranston 23
13. Foster 26
14. Mullaney 24
15. Revelle 26
16. B.Hart (Little Rock) 24
17. Manion 24
18. Ellam 27
19. C.Smith 21
20. Ryan 23
21. Lafitte 23
22. Howard (Savannah) 26
23. Shaughnessy 29
24. Smith (Atlanta) 24
25. Fritz 27
26. Molesworth 26
27. Coles 29
28. Paige 23
29. Bay 24
30. Reagan 24
32. Keirnan 25
33. Stark 23
34. Lipe 25
35. Otey 21
36. Breitenstein 28
37. Jordan (Atl) 26
38. Hickman 23
40. Lentz 25
41. Perdue 26
43. Bastian 29
44. Thornton 28
45. Bernhard 22
46. Violat 22
47. Guiheen 24
48. Helm 23
49. Greminger 23
50. Hooker 24
51. King 23
52. Miller (Dallas) 27
53. Orth 28
54. McCauley 27
55. Hart (Montgomery) 32
56. Rockenfeld 25
57. Seitz 21
58. White (Houston) 23
61. Carey 29
63. Thebo 23
74. Westlake 24

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Posted By: Dave F

My list is short for current holdings.

Bill Hart 1
Perry Lipe 1
James Westlake 1

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Posted By: John S

Foster
McCauley
Paige

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Posted By: judson hamlin

One of each except Thornton. Shaughnessy was one of the tougher ones for me as many have indicated, along with Molesworth.

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Posted By: tyler

Bay PSA 2
Jordan PSA 4
Orth PSA 3
Ryan PSA 3

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Posted By: Dave S

Per your numbering:

15, 16, 17, 18, 20, 22, 24, 26, 27(2), 29, 34, 36, 37, 38, 40, 43(2), 46, 48, 51, 52, 55, 56, 57, 61(2)

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Posted By: Mike Ellis

I have all of them (1 of each).

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Posted By: T206Collector

...but now I'm down to:

Coles
Cranston
Lentz (Sentz)
Molesworth
Mullaney
Revelle
Shaughnessy

I should note that my decision to keep Coles, Shaughnessy and Revelle was based on the perceived difficulty in my future ability to reacquire them. I also added Cranston after my purge because he is also a toughy. I'd really like to add an SGC 40 or 50 Persons or Foster, if someone has one.

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Posted By: JimB

I have one of each.
JimB

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Posted By: MEWheat

1 each of Bastian, Bay, Bernhard, Breitenstein, Cranston, Ellam, Hickman, Jordan, Kiennan, King, Lentz, McCauley, Miller, Mullaney, Orth, Persons, Seitz, Shaughnessey and Westlake; 2 of Carey

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Posted By: barry arnold

interesting survey work, Dave.
i have all but Bernhard,Fritz,Helm,Otey,Persons,SidSmith,Seitz.

For some reason, ole Shag was real easy to get early on.

all the best,

barry

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Posted By: Ray Piskadlo

My SL are:

Bastian, Ellam, Greminger, Hart (montgomery), Helm, Kiernan, King, Lafitte, Lenz, Miller, Molesworth, Reville, Shaughnessy, Stark, Thornton.

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Posted By: Pennsylvania Ted

DAVE F

I have all 48.......with Piedmont 350 backs

OLD Mill backs.....Bastian, Breitenstein, Foster, Hart (Montgomery), McCauley, Miller, Orth, Perdue,
Persons, Rockenfeld, 2 - Thornton's

Brown HINDU's.....Breitenstein, Ellam, Fritz, Guiheen, Hooker, Jordan, Thornton, Violat

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Posted By: Cobby33

Fritz 3
Breitenstein 3
Reagan 3

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Posted By: Dave F

Cobby..is that three of each?

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Posted By: Anonymous

14. Mullaney
23. Shaughnessy
28. Paige
32. Keirnan
35. Otey
37. Jordan (Atl)
40. Lentz
41. Perdue
53. Orth
54. McCauley
55. Hart (Montgomery)

HOOKER

edited to add HOOKER

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Posted By: Dave Snyder

I've got the following:

Orth
Rockenfeld
Hart (Montgomery)
Miller (Dallas)

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Posted By: scott brockelman

one of each.

Scott

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Posted By: Cobby33

Dave- Yes, 3 of each.

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Posted By: S Gross

Just my one Howard.

Long ago when I first got interested in vintage BB cards (a whole five years ago), my first "set" was the 48 So.Lgrs. I do remember the last two cards I got were Otey and Hart (Mont.). But I do not remember thinking any one was harder to fine than any other. Maybe being new to collecting I never thought about it. I do know I had Shag (1 v. 4; 2 v. 3) early on, because he was (and is) one of my fav's (Shag is sooooooooo cool). I also know I had Persons early on, because he was (and is) one of my least favorites (the fat slob). Oh, and once I completed it, I sold it, and broke even. I now wish I hadn't, even in just four years the prices I've seen are amazing .... oh well .....

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Posted By: Steve Murray

Mullaney
Persons
Stark San Antonio
White Houston

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Posted By: Bill

I have all 48 Southern Leaguers. Won them as a lot on ebay back in 1998. It was my biggest purchase and the best. I already had all 48 cards, but they were in fair to very good condition. The lot on ebay looked nice so I placed a bid. I won them for $1825. Immediately after winning the auction, I put all on mine on ebay in individual auctions. I received a total of $1300 for all of my cards. When I received the lot of Southern Leaguers, I was amazed how nice they were, so I started sending them into SGC to be graded, 5 to 10 at a time. Here are the results:

1- SGC 88
4- SGC 86
1- SGC 84
7- SGC 80
16- SGC 70
12- SGC 60
3- SGC 50
1- SGC 40
1- SGC 30

PS My wife had a fit when I placed the bid, but as you can see, I did alright. BB

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Posted By: Scott T

I have one of each except for Sgah and Ed Foster.


Scott

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Posted By: Anonymous

One each of the following:
11. Persons
12. Cranston
13. Foster
14. Mullaney
15. Revelle
16. B.Hart (Little Rock)
19. C.Smith
20. Ryan
22. Howard (Savannah)
23. Shaughnessy
25. Fritz
26. Molesworth
27. Coles
29. Bay
30. Reagan
32. Keirnan
33. Stark
34. Lipe
35. Otey
36. Breitenstein
38. Hickman
41. Perdue
43. Bastian
47. Guiheen
48. Helm
52. Miller (Dallas)
54. McCauley
55. Hart (Montgomery)
56. Rockenfeld
61. Carey

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Posted By: David

Just one SL

Paige

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Posted By: Matthew

Anxious to see the results of this survey. Sold of all my dupes over the past 2 months so now I am down to 1 of all of them except Jordan. Still looking for that one.

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Posted By: Jim Harkins

I have one of each southern leaguer. In addition I have an additional Coles, Hart Montgomery, Hart Little Rock, Kiernan, Manion, and Thebo.
None are graded.

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Posted By: Mike Ernst

I have one of each--don't remember the relative difficulty of each (back to '72-73)

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Posted By: Dave Hornish

I have 1 Persons

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Posted By: Dave F

Thanks for all the input so far guys. I'll update from Steve M. down in the morning at some point...too tired tonight and can't keep eyes open.

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Posted By: Chris East

I've got one Hart (Montgomery)

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Posted By: Rich H.

I have one of each plus the following additional copies:

Carey
Foster
Ellam
Hart (Jimmy
Howard
Lafitte
Orth
Thornton

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Posted By: Dave F

Should be updated to this point.

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Posted By: Cobby33

Very interesting results and I, for one, appreciate the efforts in compiling the info. and providing it.

I say interesting results because the results do not seem to be in line with the PSA and SGC pop. reports. Maybe because the people on this Board collect more of the scarce cards, thus, the results show a relative "scarcity" of the more common cards? Don't know...

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Posted By: judson hamlin

I would also note that all mine are raw (except Molesworth) and I would guess many of the others are as well. If we want to expand the detail of the survey, my backs are:

Hindu: 13
Old Mill: 33
Piedmont 350: 1

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Posted By: JimB

Bill,
What a great buy. Congrats. That beats my Southern League purchase by a mile. I bought a group of 21 different that averaged about EX in a David Festberg auction about ten years ago. I don't remember the exact total, but I believe I paid about $40/card.
JimB

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Here you go:::

BASTIAN 3
BAY 2
BERNHARD 3
BREITENSTEIN 5
CAREY 4
COLES 6
CRANSTON 3
ELLAM 4
FOSTER 4
FRITZ 6
GREMINGER 3
GUIHEEN 3
J.HART 3
B HART 2
HELM 3
HICKMAN 3
HOOKER 5
HOWARD 4
JORDAN 3
KIERNAN 3
KING 2
LAFITTE 4
LENTZ 2
LIPE 3
MANION 3
MCCAULEY 3
MILLER2
MOLESWORTH 3
MULLANEY 2
ORTH 2
OTEY 2
PAIGE 3
PERDUE 4
PERSONS 4
REAGAN 2
REVELLE 3
RYAN 2
SEITZ 2
SHAUGHNESSY 6
SID SMITH 6
C. Smith 2
STARK 2
THEBO 3
THORNTON 6
VIOLAT 2
WESTLAKE 3
WHITE 2
Rockenfeld 2


Be well Brian

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Posted By: Martin Neal

I have all of them except Foster, Breitenstein, Paige, and Shaughnessy. I had a Psa 5 Foster, but was sold to complete a set being auctioned in the Rea Auction a year ago. I regret selling almost every card I sell, it must be a sickness.

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Posted By: Dave F

Thanks for the updates guys...I'll add the numbers in tonight!

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Posted By: John

I have all the above, plus these extras below. Hope this helps....

Bastian
Bay
Breitenstein
Carey
Foster
Greminger
Kiernan
McCauley
Orth
Perdue
Reagan
S. Smith
Bernhard
Coles
Guiheen
Hart (Mont)
Lipe
Miller
Molesworth
Revelle

Dave you are correct in your guess on Hart.

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Posted By: DaveW

I've got 'em all, with only one duplicate, Orth.

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Posted By: Dave F

I "think" I am up to speed....

Wonka...on your dupes you listed....is the 2nd Hart Montgomery or Little Rock? I guessed Montgomery for the time being, if I am wrong let me know and I'll change.

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Posted By: Robert Reiss

Have all except:

Cranston
Foster
Fritz
Hickman
Kiernan
Lafitte
Mullaney
Reagan

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Posted By: Dave F

It does look kind of interesting that there doesn't seem to be any disparity across the board. Pretty even numbers throughot. I would also think that maybe the tougher ones are just sought after a little more by the board? Plus, everyone that owns one of each as a subset...kind of throws things off a bit.

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Posted By: Rob NYC

Jack Bastian SL PSA 3 Piedmont 350 Fac.25
Tony Thebo SL PSA 3 Old Mill (Texas) Fac.25
Foley White SL PSA 2 Piedmont 350 Fac.25

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Posted By: Dave F

Added yours Rob.

If anyone else has any to add...would love to see whta kind of numbers we end up with. Still can't believe it is pretty even across the board.

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Posted By: T206Collector

....explanation of how he came up with the relative scarcities among the Southern Leaguers. It sure appears that Persons isn't any harder than the others.

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Posted By: Frank Wakefield

all 48, plus an second Hart, Montgomery.

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Posted By: Dave F

Paul, it may have to do with the fact so many here collected one of each...and nothing more. Totally throws off any true numbers as far as scarcity are concerned.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...about that. But I still think that the relative scarcities of the Southern Leaguers may be a more shallow curve than the curve from Demmitt to Persons or O'Hara to Foster.