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Posted By: James Gallo

This should not be that difficult to determine.

There are players like Bonds, McGwire and Clemens (Amoung some others)that it is painfully obvious they took something that really pumped them up. These guys were skinny nothings when they came up and all of a sudden one year they were all built and rock solid.

If you don't think they all juiced then you are only fooling yourself.

I also think it is just as easy to detect the people that haven't used. Griffey Jr, Jeter, Ryan.

These guys still look the same as they did years ago. Griffey is always hurt, Jeter is still a stick and it is my understanding that Ryan was an insane work horse and always in the weight room even after a start.


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"Might want to look at Mr. Ryan too?? Add Jim Rice, Ricky Henderson, Mike Schmidt, Lee Smith, Eddie Murray, Reggie Jackson, Garry Carter, Carlton Fisk, Steve Garvey".

Are you kidding me? Can I say for sure these guys didn't juice, no but it is unliekly. Schmidt was hurt a ton towards the end of his career, Carter never showed enough change in mass or in power that would lead me to believe he juiced. The other guys on your list are similar to the above. I think you just lumped everyone you could think of in one group.

I would say it is likely they took some type of upper, but hell those have been around stil the 60s or even befire. I don't think any of the above were juiced players.


As for the HOF in the 1990s I would go each year and there would be 3-5 or more player put in with a couple from the committe.

At some point the jack asses that vote decided they had all this power and control. As a result we are stuck with a bunch of dumb ass writers that vote based on whatever floats thier boat at the moment.

It is STUPID that a guy can be on the ballot for 5 years and then all of a sudden he gets in.

Nothing has changed except the people and how they vote.

The whole system is seriously flawed and I would agree that the people on this board would be better suited voting for people in the hall then 75% or more of the writers.

For my part I don't think McGwire, Bonds, Clemens, Sosa, Palmerio and anyone else that shows either physical or some other proof they juiced should all be banned from baseball.

I think these guys should just disapear from the records and everything else.

Selig is a jack ass and always has been, hopefully some day we will get a comissioner with a set of balls and he will straighten some issues out.

Till then we are stuck.

For the record I don't think McGwire will get in next year. Palmerio will never get in. If they can't nail Bonds then I think he will get in at some point but not on the first ballot. Same thing for Clemens.

I care a lot about the game and its history. I am not blind to how the players were in the past, but it isn't like Cobb was the only racist at the time, and he certainly isn't the only cheater in the hall.

That being said I think there is a fine line between cheating to win a few games and taking drugs with the knowledge and intent that it will increase you recovery time, and ability to play better.

Its a pain and you will get 100 different answers to the same question, but hopefully sooner or later someone will have to sort it out.


James Gallo

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