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Old 12-19-2006, 02:14 PM
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I think any reasonable person would interpret "prefer" as the manner in which they presently collect. It's a stretch to think that someone would vote PSA 8/SGC 88 when they are lower grade collectors just because they might "prefer" higher graded cards.

With that said, if you do revise the poll may I please have option 8 changed from "grade" to "raw".

PLUS: The title is "Focus on Collecting" not what would I like to collect.

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:15 PM
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First of all you can only, or should only, be able to vote once from each IP address.

Jim- If there ever was anyone banned because I thought they were just a total ass you would be first on the list....Grow up....and you haven't been 40 for longer than I can remember...or if you are 40 you really need to change your lifestyle...

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:16 PM
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I agree Steve--we should keep it as it is.

Are we at 100 for PSA 8s yet?

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:16 PM
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Leon,

It is very easy to vote multiple times from the same IP address.

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:18 PM
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Come on Leon.

PSA 8 collector put back in his place.

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:22 PM
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It would make my collection a lot easier to work.

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:40 PM
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At 4:19 there were 47 votes for PSA 8. An hour and a quarter later there are 93. That's roughly one new vote for PSA 8 every minute and a half. Does that make any sense?

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:42 PM
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Makes perfect sense barry - someone is creating new accounts, and deleting the cookies from their temporary internet files, and voting again, and again, and again.

Its easy to do - I tested it a couple times myself (note my "new" login name) and it renders the results of the poll completely useless...

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:44 PM
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you are right on. This poll is fatally flawed and contaminated. Close it up.

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:44 PM
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We will see how many emails I get at home this evening and then this poll will probably be taken down. My guess is I will have less than 5. I was hoping to get an accurate view of what the board collects but it looks as though some folks want their opinion to count more than others. Gee, I wonder who that is?

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:47 PM
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Is it so hard to behave like adults?

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:49 PM
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Adam,

Youre just now figuring this out?

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Old 12-19-2006, 02:51 PM
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I voted # 8

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Old 12-19-2006, 03:01 PM
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I don't mean to muck things up any, but what is the point of a poll if everone claims to know the end results already? Pretty much everyone here would agree that the majority of folks on this board collect less than PSA8's (collect, not prefer) and most people would estimate that its probably a 90%-10% majority, so why have a poll on this topic in the first place?

I'd rather see a poll on something where the answer isn't known already, say "If you were selling $20k of various graded mid-grade cards, which Auction house would you choose" or "which night is the best night for selling cards on Ebay".

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Old 12-19-2006, 03:57 PM
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This poll doesn't work.

A proper poll would be something along the lines of...

How would you spend $10,000 if you were given $10,000 today to spend on cards?

1) T206 low grade set
2) three PSA8 T206 commons
3) eight low grade e107 cards
4) 1952 Mantle in PSA5 form
5) One hundred poor condition Old Judge cards
6) 1987 Topps set in PSA10 form
7) One quarter of a T206 Honus Wagner

etc.

I also think that it's amusing (as well) that so many PSA8'ers out there voted in that short time frame and that it's easy to pile on the votes of one side, so really, what is the sense of any poll really? I mean, I voted four times!

The true measure of this forum (and the collecting population) is in the words of the contributors.

My two cents...

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:02 PM
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interesting poll idea...definitely more clear...but...if you can find me a t206 honus for 40K...sign me up for a few.

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:11 PM
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OK...so some say what is the use of a poll anyway? Good question. A poll, that is not tainted, puts what we "think" in black and white. No conjecture. The problem with the current poll is that it has obviously been manipulated/tainted to render it worthless...I also have a stong suspicion the grading company poll was manipulated in the same way. I still like polls as I do believe they give a more accurate picture in black and white. Here is the solution. First of all I am going to take this poll down this evening. (Brian- please do so at your earliest convenience)....IF we have another poll like this I will make it a rotating one in an individual thread....so the babies can only vote once. I still would like this poll done in some shape or form...so when the correct wording gets put together I will start a thread with the poll. I can see IP's that way and there will be far less room for the manipulation. Sorry for the issues... I would guess there are more high grade collectors than I originally thought (but it's a guess)...maybe 5%-7%....best regards

edited to not insinuate

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:19 PM
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Good call Leon. I just looked at the poll about 10 minutes ago for the first time, and was shocked by the results. It's not a matter of taking it down because someone doesn't like the results. And it's not a matter of knowing ahead of time what the answer is. But it is a matter of knowing ahead of time what the answer isn't, and the current results are simply not reality. We all know that.

And I also don't think it's a matter of misreads on the "prefer" language, or scope being prewar. Anyone voting in this poll is either a board member or lurker, and both of those groups of people know full well what the intent of the poll is based on the content of recent threads.

Not valid? Not innocent mistakes? Manipulation. Buh-bye. Take it down. I just wish I had whatever kick-a$$ little life it must be to have time to create new id's or gather friends to vote or whatever it took to get this outcome.

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:24 PM
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Okay, all kidding aside because I am serious about my cards, I confess to.

1)Being 53--just kidding about 40.I think I look pretty close to 40. If my daughter wants something, she will say I look 40.

2)I only voted once--I did vote for the psa 8 option though. I have no idea how to vote more often. Even if I did, I would not stoop to gaming the poll.

Cheers to all.

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:25 PM
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An est.100 of the 115 people mistook the word "prefer to" as "wish you could".

They thought it was a wishing well.

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:25 PM
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As a new Board member but a long-time reader I took that 1st sentence literally as written--emphasis on the word PREFER--and the only thing that fit for me of all choices was obvious--#1.

I would have PREFERRED to answer--Both Graded & Raw--Both High Grade & Low Grade, whatever appeals to me & my pocketbook at the time I purchase!!!

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Old 12-19-2006, 04:28 PM
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maybe the poll can be taken at the dinner?

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Old 12-19-2006, 05:35 PM
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Who nees a poll when Leon seems to know all the answers anyway?

Seriously, whatever results that even a fair poll shows, does it really matter to anyone? Are you going to feel better if you are a PSA 8 collector that others are too? Is it so bad to a SGC 50 collector that some other people collect PSA 8 cards? It's all meaningless trivia. But it was fun reading these threads...gave me a few good chuckles.

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Old 12-19-2006, 05:55 PM
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Yeah, what King said . . . whatever, much ado about little. What would Jean-Baptiste Alphonse Karr say about this?

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Old 12-19-2006, 07:16 PM
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Maybe we need an accounting firm to audit the results, like they do the Oscars.

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Old 12-19-2006, 07:30 PM
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The poll seems to lack relativity. In many ways I believe myself to be a high grade collector. This is one of the top eight highest graded E107 Planks in America today.

SHOW ME YOUR 8s!!!!






Edited obnoxiously large scan.

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Old 12-19-2006, 07:41 PM
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There actually is a E107 Plank in a PSA 8.
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Old 12-19-2006, 07:53 PM
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I think part of the poll voting is related to the number voters thinking in terms of post-war cards. How many lurkers voted that are predominatly post-war collectors? It should be what you actually buy and it should be in a pre-war sense only.

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Old 12-20-2006, 03:44 AM
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Posted By: dennis

maybe the poll should read....in what grade are most of your pre war baseball cards
nm/mint
vg/ex
poor/good

this keeps it simple and elimates the slab element because you can collect high grade(or any) w/o the slab

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