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Posted By: E, Daniel

John, I used the parenthesis to show that the statement is made by others, not myself. I don't subscribe to the theory that a handful of enthusiast collectors from that period - 70's / 80's - had such complete knowledge of vintage card stocks that they can make that kind of statement.

Secondly, Joann, I agree with almost everything you write, but wow, find your post disturbing.
Firstly, Leon and others have described themselves as 99% sure of the wagner being compromised. 99%. How does that possibly stand as a limit in knowledge?
How sure is anyone in this country who has faith in a higher being that such an invisible creature actually exists? More than 99%??????? Really? And yet the government, and lawyers, seem reasonably unconcerned about prosecuting such hypothesising and the force feeding of its tenets to millions of children.....
How sure are you that the earth is round? Ever been out in space yourself for first hand knowledge?
When you squish an ant, how much do you know about what goes on inside the ant at the time?
Etc. Etc. Etc.
Thats why when information is passed out to the public as authentic and worthy of being included into our vernacular, they sign their name at the bottom of the paper. And we get to judge their likely rightness, from their references, their points of study, their process in developing the understanding, and on and on and on.

The point is, that in these snippets of revelation, most recently from Barry about card substitution and tampering/alteration, and the Gretzky wagner debate shared in by Leon, both have claimed more than passing rumors to their ears. EVEN IF NEITHER WAS PRESENT TO SEE SUCH ACTIVITIES, LEON AND BARRY BOTH CLAIM TO KNOW DIRECTLY INDIVIDUALS WHO WERE - AND CONFERRED THAT INFORMATION ON TO THEM! So, tell us the names of the people who were supposedly at the activity and told you so.
Tell us the truth.
Otherwise, they are not being responsible, but are merely part of the cover up.


Sincerely
Daniel