Mastro Auction

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Posted By: Jay

If anyone won lot 1028 (76 misc. T210s) and would consider selling one card out of the group, Welf-Series 8, please email me at oldjudge@gmail.com

Thanks!

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Posted By: andy becker

all i can say is congrats to mastro and their consignors....the prices (at least on the lots i was interested in) were monsters!
i wanted to buy two sets just to upgrade a few cards in my sets....and i couldn't force myself to pull the trigger.

was it just me or were the prices that strong across the board?

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Posted By: Richard

If anyone won lot 1050 Kottons or lot 1055 E106s, please email me if you are breaking them up.

rman444@hotmail.com

thanks!

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Posted By: David Vargha

I won the high grade WG5 1913 National Game set and will be breaking it up for sale once it arrives. Anyone who wants to put a dibs on getting "first crack" at something can e-mail me. Once I get the cards and establish the pricing, I'll get back to those who contacted me first before opening it up for sale to the "general public".

List is now on the B/S/T Board:
http://www.network54.com/Forum/376259/thread/1145745468/last-1145751051/1913+National+Game+WG5+High-Grade+Set+Break-Up

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: robert a

Congrats. to the winner of the D304 lot.
If you decide to break it up, I am very interested in the mathewson and the tenny.

Thanks.

Robert A.

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Posted By: Joe Jones

I am interested in a few of the e104-2's from the E104 lot. If the winner of that lot is reading this and is thinking of breaking up the lot....please shoot me an email.

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Posted By: Tom Hines

If the winners of the Kotton's lot and the E-106 lot are going to break up the lots I am interested in the Cincinnati cards especially the Dooin from the E-106. You can email me at thines@healy.uscg.mil. Thanks and congrats on the great pick-ups.

Tom

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Posted By: Bob

My bidding partner and I were nosed out very late on the E94 group of 4 in PSA 5 and 6, thought we had it won. On the flip side, I watched earlier in horror as my consigned lot was floundering but in the final day it began moving and there was a little bit of a feeding frenzy late so I did o.k.
Now onward to the other auctions!

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

I would like to make a deal with the winner of lot 1940, the T210 lot of 69 cards. I'm interested in the 5th series cards. Thanks Brian

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Posted By: jay behrens

If anyone here won the HArry Hartman sets, I'd be interested in purchasing one of them.

Jay

I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home, I would be arrested. So, I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: Scot York

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Posted By: Anthony

I"d also be interested in one of the Harry Hartman sets.

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Posted By: Frank Evanov

"I was high bidder on the (24) E210 York Caramel lot. I needed a few of them. Did anybody see the E126 complete SGC graded set? It sold for less than $6500, somebody made out with a great set very cheap."

Agree. There were a number of bargains. The close proximity of Memory Lane, Mastro, REA and Lelands caused me to pass on a lot of items I knew were undervalued. After my ML and Mastro wins, I'm now officially sitting out Lelands and REA.

Frank

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Posted By: Tom Hines

If the high bidder is looking to break up the lot of 63 19th century cabinets I am interested in the Paul Hines. Please email me at; thines@healy.uscg.mil.

Tom

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Posted By: Brett

Why did that t210 jackson go for a low price. was it because it was stained ??

i remember a psa 2 went for like $180 000, and the reserve was not met.

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Posted By: Scot York

Maybe, like Frank said, to many auctions closing at once. Although the Jackson did bring over 100K. You could have bought several great sets for that.

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Posted By: leon

If the one you are thinking of was the one that was on ebay there certainly were some issues surrounding the private bidding. I too am a little surprised it didn't go for more. The one coming up in REA probably held it back (or the recent few that surfaced filled some needs so there were less high end bidders on this one). Did anyone notice the other T210?'s. Not flying quite as high at this moment as they were a month or two ago, again, since the several collectors that needed them already got them. No earthshaking news here......

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

I am 100% convinced... after now seeing TWO of the T210 Jacksons come up for auction...

that the EBay fiasco was 100% shill bidding on a "private" auction with a ridiculous high reserve for the SOLE purpose of trying to drive up the "market value" of these cards.

I think the Mastro price is dead on accurate, and I don't expect the REA one to be much different.


In other words... I could have put my Reccius Wagner on Ebay with a $200,000 reserve and had a friend bid $199,999 on it... but that wouldn't have meant that the card was worth that much.

Perhaps this would have "fooled" some folks into thinking that the "market demand" for the card was that high...

but based on what the T210 Jackson sold for...

the EBay trick DID NOT WORK!

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Posted By: Patrick McHugh

I feel it remains to be seen. The card in the rea auction is much cleaner, if I had to take one it would be the rea. The PSA 5 ST Jackson may have only graded SGC 10, 20 at best with the back damage. Only my opinion.

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Posted By: Jay

I think Hal is dead on. I saw the REA Jackson before it was slabbed and it has what I would consider to be a heavy crease. I thought the Mastro and REA Jacksons were dead even, two scarce cards with problems. The price of the Mastro Jackson was what I expected, maybe even a little on the high side. Corey's is I believe better than either of these and it went for about $90K.

Leon makes an astute observation--there are plenty of T210s around and the prices are falling. Mastro had, what, between 500 and 1000 in his auction; REA has between 500 and 1000; Goodwin is coming up with 500 plus. To paraphrase the old song: The red Old Mill she ain't what she used to be....

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

How about the 1933 Goudey Lajoie for $140,000 with the juice!!!!

Yowser!

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Posted By: tonyetrade

I made a mistake yesterday and overlooked that lot. The whole lot sold for a little over 3k. I would be willing to pay the high bidder on that $2500 just for the series 6 cards. I also have other series to possibly trade too. That would put someone in a position to profit significantly. Please contact me with interest. tonyetrade@yahoo.com thanks TOny

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Posted By: JimB

Hal,
I noticed that too. I think that card, along with a lot of Goudeys (particularly the Gerhigs) have been stagnant for a few years now and I am not sure why. Maybe that is an indication that things are changing. Maybe it is because so many pre-war collectors have focussed on tobacco and caramel cards in recent years, not to mention 19th century stuff.
Jim

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Posted By: warshawlaw

But thrilled with the final $$ on my consignment to them.

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Posted By: cmoking

re: 1933 Goudey #92 Gehrigs - there seems to be a PSA 8 of that card in EVERY catalog auction...the PSA 8 pop is 42!! Just too many, you won't have to wait long to get a crack at another one. The #160 is a completely different story.

re: 1933 Goudey Lajoie - between the Mastro & REA auctions, there were 6 Lajoie's up in a two week span. Mastro had the PSA 9, a SGC 60 and a PSA 3 within a complete set. REA has the PSA 1MK, PSA Authentic and a PSA 6. There is another one coming up in the Heritage auction. And wasn't someone trying to sell a PSA 2 in the BST recently? That's alot! The PSA pop is only 61. I can't tell how many in SGC holders as their pop reports seem to be down...but say there is another 14 there for a total of 75. That means almost 10% of all graded Lajoies have traded hands within about a month.

re: other Goudeys - they surely don't seem to have increased at the rate of other cards. It's probably due to the fact that there are so many more, particularly in high grade, than other pre-war sets. Also, the big players seem to be done or close to it with their sets. So naturally anymore that comes up only goes to the guys willing to pay lower prices since the big guys have their card already. It would take another PSA 8 collector into the Goudey market to move prices back up. If another PSA 8 collector sells, then the market probably drops down a notch.

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Posted By: JimCrandell

King,

You hit the nail on the head. I have seen it in many vintage sets--sometimes you just have to step back and let the usual suspects complete their vintage sets in psa 8 or better and then step up.

For example, it is good to stay away from the T206s and 40 Play Balls now but 33 Goudey seems to represent an popportunity.

Jim

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Posted By: cmoking

Jim, for a guy like you that collects may sets, it is probably easier for you to do that. You can time the market and stay away from the currently over-priced sets. However, for others that only collect a couple of sets, they are SOL! It's nice to be in your position.

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Posted By: Tom Mills

Congratulations to the winner of Lot 63 the 19th Century Cabinets! I would like to buy the Louisville Cabinets if you decide to break up the lot.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

I have that lot coming to me. I have another partner on it where we will be selling off some of the cards. Not sure what the prices are going to be yet.. I will entertain any offers on any cabinets.

Thanks JC

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Posted By: sam

if the winner of the 18 hall cabinets (lot 1904)
is interested in selling the crane please let me
know.
sam

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Posted By: barrysloate

For several years buyers have outnumbered sellers and that is primarily why prices have gotten so high. Many collectors, some of them getting older (translation: baby boomers) may feel this is a pretty good time to cash in. As a result, we may be at the early stage of sellers putting a little too much material out at one time, causing prices to level off a bit. Ultimately, the market will seek its own level. But we are seeing certain sets, such as Old Judge, much cooler than they were just a year or two ago. It's pretty much Economics 101, nothing earth shattering here.

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Posted By: Larry

For The Most part, #'s were exceedingly strong on pre war, and the E126 Caramels set mentioned, I acquired that, being that it is unique in style and player selection, this set was always an underated and rare issue. It also has one of the best Babe Ruth cards ever issued. Congratulations again to the Mastro Group, a well run auction house, and the best interactive web site.

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Posted By: jay behrens

Larry, if you are planning on breaking the e126s or upgrading, I'd be interested in 2 commons.

Jay

I like to sit outside, drink beer and yell at people. If I did this at home, I would be arrested. So, I go to baseball games and fit right in.

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Posted By: Bob

Barry- I agree totally with your post. Although there are a lot of younger prewar collectors out there, including many on this board, I would guess that in about 10+ years there could well be a flood of vintage material making its way back in to the hobby. I, too, have noticed that the Old Judge prices have begun to cool. Cards that were selling just 6 months ago for $300 are now obtainable for $200-225.

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Posted By: Scot York

Larry,
You're very lucky to get that set/price. Congrats!

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Posted By: Golfcollector

I won the lot of 14 golf card sets. I was very please to pick this up so cheaply. I was impressed with the overall quality and material once again present in Mastronet auctions

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Posted By: Lyle

on the D304 lot and the E90-1 Cobb lot .Its amazing to me how some sets just skyrocket so quickly without a known spark .

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Posted By: Mike Peich

If anyone on the Board won Mastro Lot #1924, 1907 Dietsche Cubs, I am interested in Pfeister, the last card I need to complete the set. I'm also interested in upgrading Moran and Lundgren. Many thanks.
Cheers, Mike

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

Sam, I do not know your e-mail address? Please e-mail to discuss options. I was going to keep it for my collection... Thx JC

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Posted By: Anonymous

I also saw the REA Jackson before it was slabbed. I own it. The crease does not break the surface. This can be seen in the greatly enlarged full page scan that REA placed in the front of their catalog. The scan was made before slabbing. The crease is only apparent in certain angles of light. With great respect for Jay's opinion, I would consider this kind of creasing to be minor. I believe also that SGC gave no special weight to the crease.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Brian,
I have 23 Series 5 T210s in REA lot# 222. Please go bid.

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Posted By: Tom Boblitt

FYI......

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Posted By: leon

Really the only rule, I believe, is to make yourself known in a thread or post that can be considered controversial or "very" opinionated. Unless I missed something here I don't think I saw that....

edited to say that after re-reading the anonymous person's post it could be construed as very opinionated....I think the scans in the auction are big enough for everyone to make their own decisions....this is one of those calls that are tough on this board....I would usually vote "not" to censor or ask for an identity in gray cases...

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Posted By: anonymous

stand corrected......

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Posted By: Anonymous

I am sorry,
I didn't know I was violating a rule.
I thought I was identifying myself, as the owner of the card.

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Posted By: Jay

Seedy--With all due respect, I saw the Jackson at the Ft Washington show before it was slabbed. You didn't need to rotate it in the light to see the crease; it was very obvious. I was talking to Dave Foreman and our discussion was over whether it would get a 2 or a 3. It's a nice card but one with faults, just like the last several that have surfaced. None of these is even close to the one Trevor posted an image of a while back. Good luck with your consignments.

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Posted By: Anonymous

Thanks for the good wishes Jay.
I didn't say you couldn't see the crease. I said it wasn't apparent except in certain light, meaning that you have to angle the card to get the best view of the crease, because it does not break the surface and is therefore minor -- In mine and SGCs as well as others' opinions. As Leon said, "the scan is big enough" let everyone decide for themselves.

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Posted By: Jay

Did anyone on the board win Lot# 1028 T210 Old Mill Cigarettes Red Border Collection (76)? If so, I would like to trade for/purchase the Welf Series 8 card. As always, I will trade generously. Please email me at oldjudge@gmail.com

Thanks!---Jay

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Posted By: Zach Rice

I would be interested in any of the T210-2 leftovers if there are any from either Mastro or Rea. Thanks.