TY COBB E92 CROFTS CANDY PICKUP!!

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

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Posted By: Bill Kasel

WOW! That is a phenomenal card. Congrats! Thank you for sharing.

Happy Thanksgiving all!

Bill Kasel

"The beer I had for breakfast wasn't bad, so I had one more for dessert"

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

I FORGOT TO MENTION THIS IS CONSIDERED ONE OF COBB'S ROOKIE CARD!! AND THE HIGHEST AND ONLY PSA 6 GRADED!!

CHARLIE

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Posted By: JudgeDred (Fred)

Do you mean one of Cobbs rookie cards? I can't wait to see the responses...

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

You are right, one of his Rookie Cards.

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Posted By: Brian E.

Charlie:

What are your plans for the card?

Brian E.

engelhard@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

I am accepting offers but I am also considering ebay. MANONTHEROCK gets pretty good auction results.

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Posted By: Brian E.

I look forward to the auction Charlie....that card could easily find a nice place in Mastro or REA as well.

Brian E.

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Posted By: Jim Clarke

Cobb started playing in 1905. I just can't agree with someone saying a "Rookie" card is 1909. Many people think Gehrig's rookie card is 1925 Exhibit. Why can't we say Ty Cobb's W600 Cabinet (1907) or a Dietsche Post Card would be his rookie? I can think of 8 other issues of Cobb before 1909 and I'm not including notebook covers. JC

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Posted By: quan

should go in the pick-up thread though...and i'm not getting involved in the rookie card discussion

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Posted By: WP

Hate to throw cold water on things but the bottom edge looks funny to me.

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Posted By: zach

Nice card but what gives with it no going in the recent pick up thread like everyone elses cards ? So if this stays does it give everyone the right to make a new thread about their recent purchases ? Is it allowed only because its a very expensive card? Please explain

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Bottom edge does look...funny but nothing compared to the T206 Plank PSA 3 on ebay that may only have one original edge. That card could actually be considered a pentagon, possibly a hexagon.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Wally,

I hate to throw cold water on your cold water but this card is full bordered and totally original. It was purchased in an antique store by the previous owner 5 years ago. Either way I stand behind the card 100%.

Charlie

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Posted By: zach

Seems like this if anything should go in the bst. Just another dealer posting on the main board to make people aware of what he will have on ebay next week or sometime in the future which was said earlier along with taking offers.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

I am not sure I understand? I put a scan of a card up for display as many others do. I have received many offers but I never solicited any.

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Posted By: WP

Charlie,
Maybe you can explain how you have an Ex upper left corner a decent upper right corner and two NM or better lower cornerrs. The bottom edge bows and is unusually flat. If I were to bet i would have to say that the card is trimmed. I also would not be surprised if this card measures short.

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Posted By: zach

I think you understand what i'm saying. First why didn't you post this in the normal recent pick up thread like everyone else ? It seems to me that you posted it here to aquire more attention so you would recieve offers for it which you posted earlier that you would be willing to look into. Also you said it maybe on ebay, then you went further into telling everybody the ebay name it will be under, if you're not trying to sell it then why do people need to know they ebay name it may be under ? Also, not everyone shows off their cards in a new thread, actully no one does.

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Posted By: Brian

Charlie,

This post seems like a solicitation to me...



"Re: TY COBB E92 CROFTS CANDY PICKUP!! November 23 2005, 5:38 PM

I am accepting offers but I am also considering ebay. MANONTHEROCK gets pretty good auction results. "

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Brian,

That was in response to another board member. I did not solicit that question.

Charlie

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Posted By: WP

Purchased in an antique store 5 years ago? was it graded at the time? I believe that serial number indicates that the card was graded in 1996 or 1997. PSA used to use the 070 designation at shows and that it a low number for a 070.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Wally,

You are entitled to you opinion but you are wrong. I find it funny that you can be so certain from a scan. Mike Baker the Head Grader at GAI (the Best Grader on the planet) will not even give me an opinion on a card from a scan only.

Charlie

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Posted By: cmoking

WP thinks every card in a PSA holder is trimmed. Charlie, don't worry about him.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Wally,

Are you saying that I am lying?

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Posted By: zach

This thread needs to be deleted. Put it in the bst buddy, its obvious what you're doing.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

King,

Thanks.

Charlie

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Posted By: zach

I like how you are ignoring me ? Why, because I am right. Why do you feel you are better than everyone and can post your card in a new thread ? BTW nice plug for your ebay auctions above.

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Posted By: WP

Charlie, I am just pointing out verifiable facts. Come to whatever conclusion you want to.

Cmoking I do not think every PSA card is trimmed, far from it. I do point it out when I see one and there are plenty of obvious examples.
Since its being implied that I am a PSA basher. I would like to point out that one of my favorite cards is JimBs E93 Mathewson PSA 8 as is the T3 Cobb PSA 8 in Mastronet.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Verifiable facts? Thats funny. I have the card in my hand. The card is 100% not trimmed.

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Posted By: cmoking

I can be guilty of exaggeration. But in exaggeration, there is some truth.

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Posted By: Josh K.

First, let me say that Ive purchased cards from Charlie before and found him pleasant to deal with and have nothing negative to say. Second, regardless of motive (Im not going to assume one way or another), I do think that this should have been (a) put on the recent pick up thread if the point was to show off a great new card; or (b) put on b/s/t if the goal was to sell the card. Just my two cents.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Josh,

Thanks for the kind words. The goal was not to sell it but to start a disccusion about the card. It is not a common card and I was curious what the community would say about it. I guess I touched a nerve. I sincerely apologize.

Charlie

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Posted By: Josh K.

Charlie,

You're welcome - now, I would like to hear more discussion (as long as we have this thread) on that bottom edge. Personally, I think the card looks full bordered. However, I also see a slight curve to the bottom edge. Is that just the camera playing tricks on us?

Frankly, Id take the card regardless - so if you want to just send it my way, feel free

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Josh,

The card is straight. This card was found and graded by someone outside of the hobby. Thats the provedence. As far as the bottom edge, I have looped it and it looks 100% original. I stand behind that claim with my entire reputation and would buy the card back if SGC or GAI said it was trimmed. But it is 100% not trimmed.

Charlie

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Posted By: JimB

As best as I can see from the scan, the card looks fine and full bordered to me. The bottom corners are a little nicer than the top two, but it is not uncommon for two corners to be nicer than the opposite two on a card. As has been mentioned however, it is usually very tough to say from a photo, unless it is a really bad trim job.
JimB

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Posted By: Alan

It's funny how every "expert" in the hobby/business comes out of the woodwork, saying the all too familiar "the bottom border doesn't look right to me." you know what WP, the bottom border NEVER looks right to you. And it probably wouldn't look right to you unless it was sitting in your collection. Then, I am sure everything would be just fine. I am sick and tired of you clowns with your opinions based solely on the SCAN of a card on a bulletin board. The man posted his card on a forum, and he stands behind it. PSA stands behind it. You can go ahead and cite your exceptions to the general rule that the grading companies know what they are doing. Go ahead, show me all the obvious examples, show me the less than 1/10th of 1/100th of 1/1000th of a percent of the time that the grading companies screw up. You, and all the other clowns on ebay who think their cards are undergraded and everyone else's are overgraded, or trimmed can stick it. You ruin the hobby for people with your constant bellyaching about every else's cards. Continue to sit in your house in your underwear staring at all your wonderful cards constantly telling yourself that yours are the best and that everyone else's are worthless trimmed junk. Ban me. I don't give a good goddamn. The only trimming going on around here is what's going to happen tomorrow when I have my turkey with all the trimmings. Get it? It's a joke son. Just like you.

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Posted By: Larry

Charlie...

It is a great card, those of us that have appreciation for reliable dealers know you are ethical and hard nosed about altered cards and stand behind what you sell...

This does not mean that you are the only one that feels strongly about being reliable... nor does it mean that they are not entitled to their opinions but
there is no doubt that the "man on the rock" has a rock solid card, a classic pose of the great Ty Cobb, nice find Charlie...

No one can determine without a doubt if a card was trimmed in the holder, only speculate but "E" cards are the most notorius for bad factory cuts or inconsistant original cuts.

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Posted By: David Vargha

It does look like it dips into the lower left corner (which doesn't seem to match the other three). It may just be the scan, but who knows? Regardless, it is slabbed and the caveat to "buy the holder and not the card" still applies as always here as on any card. (And this comes from a poster who is accused of being a PSA shill.)

DavidVargha@hotmail.com

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Larry,

Thanks for the kind words. I learned about ethics in this business from veterans like you.


Charlie

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Posted By: Ryan Christoff

Charlie,

Why do you keep ignoring Zach's posts? Answer: because he's right.

-Ryan

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Larry

I know Charlie and have done business with him and my comment in no way had any reflection of him. He is a terrific guy from my limited experience with him. He did not grade the card, PSA did. I think a couple of us made a comment about the bottom edge looking irregular. I do not think any of us were implying that Charlie trimmed the card and, printed out a PSA 6 flip and glued a holder closed with the card in it.

Greg

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

What am I ignoring? I am not trying to sell the card. Its a very rare card and I wanted to engage in a discussion about it. If the moderator wants to delete it that is his choice. But I have seen many threads very similar to this one.

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Posted By: Charlie Barokas

Greg,

Thanks for the kind words. The point is that many cards may look trimmed from the scan but having the card in my hand gives me an advantage to tell you beyond a reasonable doubt that it is not trimmed. Besides as I said this card came from outside the hobby with a reliable story to back it up. I think it was a cheap shot by Wally to just flippantly say that the card is trimmed because the bottom edge looks a little funny. Additionally, I am not trying to sell the card and when I do try and sell it as with all my other auctions or transactions I will stand behind the card 100%. Scott Solakian says hi and FYI he does not think it is trimmed either.

Charlie

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Posted By: Shannon

Great card looking card Charlie. Wont get into anything else about the card being trimmed or whatever else was thrown out there. Bottom line the card belongs in the recent pick up thread. Still a super looking Cobb.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Charlie,

Tell Scott I say hi. Scott knows cards and I respect his opinion. Certainly it could be the scan or the way the card is situated in the holder that is giving the illusion of an irregular look. I do not doubt your provenance on the card but that does not mean that cards were not cut by kids back when issued.

Anyway, the card is holdered and as we can all see by the T206 Plank PSA 3 that is on ebay, once a card is encapsulated it really does not matter what any of us idiots on the sidelines think. Good luck with whatever you decide to do with it.

Greg

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Posted By: leon

I have emailed Charlie. No harm no foul.....yes, this probably should have gone in the BST area but Charlie wanted to talk about it. (Hi Charlie). He hasn't been on the board that long and this is a gray area, a little bit. Let's be careful of these in the future. Ya'll need to simmer down a little and give the gentleman a break too. regards

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Posted By: jay behrens

This should have gone into the recent pick up thread, just like my e101 Wagner did. It may be the highest graded, blah blah blah, but BFD. It's not a marque card. It's not something new to hobby, so why should it get its own thread? I have a number of cards in my collection that are rarer than this card, but I don't go starting threads about them. The only one's I came close to were the uncatalogued e104-3s I acquired and I just put them in another thread about uncatalogued cards.

You are a dealer and I am sure that you were well aware that starting a seperate thread would generate finanacial interest in the card. If you had posted it in the recent pick ups thread, it would have most likely not garnered the attention that starting a thread would.

Personally, I'd like see the thread deleted. There is no need to start a new thread looking for comments on the card. People comment cards in the recent pick up thread all the time.

I say delete the thread.

Jay

I've just reached Upper Lower Class. I am now officially a babe magnet for poor chicks.

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

Charlie-thanks for selling me the E-93 Bender I needed.

NOW-sell me the Cobb!

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Posted By: Lyle

ALWAYS know the motive of others .Jay ,I wish you can teach me that 100% infallible mind reading skill sometime .It would really help me in my profession as a child psychiatrist .I guess when I was growing up in Minnesota I must have missed that course .
Great card , Charlie ! Enjoy it fully .

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Posted By: JimB

Brian, Charlie,
What E93 Cobb is that?
JimB