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Posted By: rob

Anyone win a Lipset lot? I won lot 42, the T206 back variations. Not really sure if it was a good deal, any thoughts - at least i got a Uzit.

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Posted By: Marc S.

Rob:

I don't think you did bad at all. I think, if anything, the only reason that there were not more bids was because I think the Seymour Uzit has been in previous auctions over the past few years. I think Uzit prices are somewhat depressed right now, across the board, because of Lifson's find - but I don't think you paid too much at all.

Incidentally - if any of the rarer backs are of Philadelphia Nationals players, and you would want to sell them, please e-mail me at "marc.schoenen@ge.com". I know I would have potentially bid more aggressively if I knew which commons were in the lot....
~ms

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Posted By: ChuckkieB

What exactly was the Lifson find? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

REA auction is going to have a huge hoard of Uzits in their Spring 2006 auction... including a Ty Cobb Uzit.

Some collectors found a bunch of them.

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Posted By: ockday

Did well last night..loved the new online bidding system Lew put in.
Auction ended at a reasonable time ..around midnight eastern time.
I won 2 of the Mayo FB lots and the lot of 21 Obaks including 5 "150" seies

Alan

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Posted By: Paul

Finally, I can brag that I won something in one of these top notch auctions. I won the E101 Cobb.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I never say for sure until I see the invoice (one of many superstitions), but I was the high bidder on the big boxing lot. Yay. 16 Pet Ciggies (T224) cards; I can't wait to hold them in my greedy little hands. Well, not so little. But greedy.

Got taken out of two other lots I was bidding on. That exhibit lot of 12 cards (9 Hartnett 2 Hornsby and 1 Sisler) closed for over $1,000 including the juice. Wow. I just couldn't bring myself to own 10 (I already have one) Hartnett cards for the money involved, but someone got a nice grouping. If it was one of you folks, please drop me an email; I'd like some info on the variations when you receive them.

The system worked beautifully. With full internet capability and 10% on each end as the commissions, I have a feeling that Lew is going to get a lot of really high end stuff to sell in the future from a lot of advanced collectors.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

One of my very favorite cards.

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Posted By: barrysloate

I believe REA has about 33 Uzits- including Cobb and other HOFers. I think it moves Lenox to the number two spot (not including Cobb back) and Uzit slips to three with the find.

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Posted By: Marc S.

I used to have a list, but no longer have it. But REA had consigned to them for their Feb. '06 auction thirty-two different UZIT back T-206 cards. Given that there have probably been less than 32 different Uzits sold publically over the last 5 years - it is a huge population increase for this exceptionally rare back.

~ms

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Posted By: Jeff Mohler

If anyone knows the story on the Uzit find, I would love to hear it. For some reason, I really enjoy hearing the story of how these items come to light. Jeff

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Posted By: MyBuddy

Adam, congrats on winning boxing card set. Although I thought $1800 was a bit high for a single vg T220 .... insert smiley face here .... but 16 T224s, AMAZING !!!! (can't wait to see them on your web-site).

I am awaiting an invoice for both e90-1 lots, very happy !!!!

As far as the Old Judge auction as a whole ---------> PERFECT

Great selection and even better service. A 10 minute rule with a posted and definite ending. Great new online set-up (who said you can't teach an Old Judge new technology). AND ONLY 10% FEE

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Posted By: leonl

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Posted By: Brian C Daniels

cabinet cards?

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

Lot 85 1910 W-unc Strip Card Ty Cobb
Lot 86 1915 W-unc Joe Jackson
Lot 130 Two Honus Wagner Cards (A big "thank you" to a classy guy, Dan McKee)

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Posted By: joe maples

I see 2 board members beat me out on the 2 lots I was bidding on.

Lot 85 Cobb strip card and Lot 129 E101 Cobb. Maybe I'll win something soon.
Joe

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Posted By: leonl

Actually I only bought the scans that's why they're so small.....

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Posted By: Anonymous

The Cobb stip card did very well. The guy couldn't get a bid on it on ebay for 500 bucks and then it comes in Lew's and sells for 1k...amazing. shows the power of an auction house

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Posted By: joe maples

When was the strip card on ebay?, sorry I missed that, I bid into the 800.00 on this card in Lipset auction.

Joe.

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Posted By: zach

A few months back..the guy couldnt get a bid at 300 on the last day so he changed his price to 500 so he didnt get screwed and couldnt sell it.

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Posted By: Bottom of the Ninth

I did not see the Cobb strip card on ebay either. Regardless I would have paid more for the card than I did, whenever or wherever it was being sold. Had absolutely nothing to do with the power of the auction. I cannot possibly see everything that is on ebay but I will never miss anything that is contained in an auction catalog.

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Posted By: zach

Thats what im saying. It shows that if you want the best amount of money for your card go to an auction house because unlike ebay everyone will see it/

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Posted By: Paul

I saw the Cobb on ebay and was ticked off when he raised the minimum bid. I thought I was going to steal it for $300.

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Posted By: Brian H (misunderestimated)

I screwed and meant to bid on this small lot but was too late because I forgot that Arizona does not subscribe to daylight savings time -- meaning I never got my initial bid in... Anyway, enough whinning, If anyone here won it, I would be interested in significant parts of it and you may very well be able to turn a profit (I haven't checked the closing price).

contact me at bhodes@rcn.com

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Posted By: Marty

I went to Lew's and looked at the Cobb Strip card. Nice card, no creases or wrinkles. It is pretty thin.
I bought the E95 set and will probably break it up.I also bought the SGC 86 Maple Crisette card. It is very stron in person. I talked to Lew about his new software. He was getting more new bidders than in the past and he was excited about not getting as many phone call. I think the increase in the graded cards will help him out also.

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Posted By: Glen V

Brian, daylight savings time is over, so AZ is on the normal MST. (Just to confuse things, some Indian tribes follow federal standards and do go on daylight savings time.)

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Posted By: Anson

I was negotiating with myself on the E101 Cobb. Although it had nice eye appeal, I'm almost certain that it's trimmed. But, it was still a good deal.

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Posted By: joshwolf

BEEN FOLLOWING THE CHAT TONIGHT AND I WAS THE ONE WHO CONSIGNED THE TY COBB TO LEW. I PURCHASED THE CARD 6 YEARS AGO AND UNTIL THE AUCTION I HAD NEVER ATTEMPTED TO SELL IT. SO WHATEVER WAS ON EBAY WASN'T THAT CARD. I ALSO CONSIGNED THE JOE JACKSON CARD AND OTHERS. JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THINGS. I HOPE THIS HELPS.

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Posted By: Wesley

The strip card in Lipset may have been in better condition than the one listed on ebay a few months ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5236202056

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5238850094

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Posted By: joe maples

This card is supposed to be from a notebook cover, candy box or poster according to SCD guide. After reading the post about how thin and fragile it is, that is hard to believe. Does anyone else wonder about the origin? Seem's like from a candy box or notebook cover it would be heavier material. Possibly from a poster, but I don't know about that either.

Joe

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Posted By: barrysloate

Joe- That's an interesting point as it doesn't have the look of a strip card; it actually appeared to be a little more substantial than that but not having seen it in person, it's tough to tell the quality of the paper stock. It may have been cut from something other than a sheet of strip cards. The only way to know for sure is to find out where it came from, something that may not be possible.

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Posted By: Julie Vognar

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Posted By: joe maples

Barry, I was reading Marty's post up above and he said he went to Lew's and saw the card in person and it was very thin. That's what makes me think it is cut from something else. Maybe, probably will never know.

Joe

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Posted By: Marty

The card was thinner than the W516- Cobbs that I had in another thread. It was heavier than Cracker Jack cards. It had the feel of construction paper.

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Posted By: pete ullman

I won the t4 obak henry melchoir, the 4 t206 cobbies and the small group of 7 t-206's.

I've finally got my green cobby!!!!!!

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Posted By: Don J

Won the two Walter Johnson T206's and the E92 McGraw with the Menagerie back.

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Posted By: JimB

Barry,
With all due respect for your knowledge of vintage cards, I doubt that the addition of 33 Uzits makes Uzit a more common back than Lenox. I would imagine for the next year or two they will come up with some regularity since some people will buy and resell the REA examples, but I wouldn't guess the total number of Uzits and Lenoxs was separated by less than 33 before this find. Other opinions? Any guesses as to the numbers of some of the rare T206 backs? I am taking a stab in the dark, but would guess there are somewhere in the neighborhood of 250 Drums and maybe 400 Uzits. My guess is just that, a guess, based on the regularity with which I see them in auctions and on Ebay. They do not seem to be that tough if one want to pony up the cash. Thoughts?
JimB

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Posted By: barrysloate

Over the years I have felt that while Drum was the rarest collectable back, Uzit and Lenox seemed to appear with about the same frequency, and that was the only reason I felt Uzit might slip a little; there's never been a Lenox hoard found. Admittedly, these 33 (or 32) Uzits might be bought by a collector and put away, so that the impact on the marketplace would be neglible. However, your contention that there might be 250 Drums and 400 Uzits circulating seems high to me. I would guess there are well under 100 Drums known. Anyone else have any idea of the surviving population of the rarest T206 backs?

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Posted By: barrysloate

Jim- You know now that I reflect on it, less than 100 Drums would make them as rare as a Wagner. Maybe the number is closer to your estimate. I wonder if anyone has ever kept track of them? As a postscript, I remember about 15-20 years ago Jack Smalling was selling most of his T206 and he sent me photocopies of 25 Uzits he wanted to move as a group; most were NR MT, there were a couple of HOFers, and I think he wanted something like $600 for them all. I passed, because at the time I felt I could never move that many Uzits. Think it's too late to call him? Because REA's Uzits are the second hoard I know of is partly why I kicked them down a notch.

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Posted By: Brian Weisner

Hi Barry and Jim,
The last time I checked my list there were 66 different fronts confirmed with Drum backs. I don't keep track of doubles, but would guess that number is lower than the 66, making the known population around 100-125. Add another 30-40, unconfirmed or documented cards in old collections and 175-200 Drum's is my best guess.
I also agree with Jim, that Uzit's despite the find, are still tougher than Lenox, at least in terms of confimed fronts Uzit (45), Lenox (66). Also, only one card from the recent "find", Overall had not been seen previously with a Uzit back. Be well Brian

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Posted By: barrysloate

Thanks Brian. Those numbers seem reasonable. I still feel I've seen more Uzit than Lenox over the years, but that's unscientific and over 23 years the memory doesn't always work as it should.

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Posted By: Bob Lemke

Lot 89 was an heretofore uncataloged type of strip or candy-box card of Oscar Stanage. It sold for about $575 in terrible condition. I'm going to run a trial checklist in SCD soon, since Lew has graciously allowed us the use of his scan. I have four other verified players from the set. Reports with scans of any you might have are welcomed.

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Posted By: Jim Manos

Lot #56 only went for $587 for 2 WG1 and a die cut. You may even see them again on the B/S/T Thread after grading.

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Posted By: JimB

Wasn't there a survey done in the past couple of years which analyzed the relative rarity of backs by surveying 10,000s of T206s? It may have been published in one of the last issues of VCBC. My things are mostly in boxes at the moment. Does this sound familiar to others?
JimB

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Posted By: barrysloate

Tim Newcomb did an analysis of T207 backs in a recent issue of Old Cardboard. Is that what you were thinking of? Don't recall one done on T206.

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Posted By: JimB

I remember one done on T206s. I can't remember if it was 1 of every 1500 or 15,000 T206s were Drums. Uzit was like 1 of 800 or 8000.
JimB

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I recall contributing to it. I think it was a survey in conjunction with the T206 book that never was.