Ty Cobb W516-1-2

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Posted By: Marty

I have two Ty Cobb strip cards. Here is what I believe to be a W516-1 Ty Cobb and a W516-1-2 Ty Cobb. The 2005 SCD does not list the W516-1-2 set, but it is now in the 2006 book. This makes it easier. The W516-1-2 states the the images, including the "IFC" copyright symbol, are reversed from the W516-1 set. I had asked several people about the two different cards, but I could not learn anything. Now that the new book is out, I see it listed. Now my problem is that the book states the the W516-1-2 "are printed only in black, red and yellow. Does this mean the the orange should not be in this set, or is orange okay because red and yellow make orange? Any help here will be greatly appreciated?

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Posted By: warshawlaw

W516 strip cards are a very complex issue that the big book only partially tackles. Shade variations are common; in the analogous boxing cards (W529) I have counted several color and shade variations.

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Posted By: Andy Cook

The SCD is really deficient on W516-2s. I have probably 5-6 distinct types of them and my SCD shows only 2.

Andy

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Posted By: Hal Lewis

Mine is similar but has different print:

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Posted By: identify7

The difference between the 516-1 and 516-2 is that the latter has its image reversed; is my understanding.

What is the significance of the expanded designation such as: w516-2-2?

It looks like Hal's Cobb is no.5, while those of Marty are number 6.

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Posted By: cmoking

The two W516-2-2 cobbs don't look the same. The type on the card is different, the red background is very dark red on one and orangish on the other. I think one of the grading companies screwed up on the designation of the card.

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Posted By: cmoking

I don't know if these will help, but these two are labeled by PSA as W516-1

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Posted By: Marty

Hal
The font and number on your card looks more like a W516-2-1. I think that the SGC card is correct. The book says that the -2-1 are printed only in red and blue. I asked around at the last Fort Washington show and did not learn much other than there are a lot of variations. Chris Porter said that he would research them out for me in I consigned them.
I know that strip cards have increased in demand recently, what are those nicer ones worth?

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Posted By: cmokin

I think you get the most value out of them when they are graded with a numerical grade - such as SGC 40. An "Authentic" grade doesn't get the same money, even if it looks nice. Given that the strip cards are hand-cut, my observation is that SGC and PSA will look at the size of the card as the reason whether to give it a numerical grade or not. Recently I had a couple of cards (a W514 and a W551) rejected by SGC because it did not meet size requirements - but they did grade 12 other strip cards - I guess because they did meet size requirements.

Sorry to say, but it does not seem like the two cobbs you posted to start the thread would meet size requirements...and my guess is neither SGC or PSA would give it a numerical grade. Since they are Cobb cards, I'm sure you'll get decent coin for them, even if ungraded (or graded as Authentic), but not as much as if they were graded SGC 40 or such.

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Posted By: Marty

I sent a 1955 Johnston Aaron in to PSA. They come out of a booklet and are greaded "hand cut". Mine was a full card and rejected for "evidence of trimming". I thought that was odd for a hand cut card.
I was wondering what the PSA 8 was bring, I know what the SCD says.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

I have catalogued 7 different varieties in the boxing sets of this format (Burdick labeled it W529), involving image flips, number changes and font changes. Then there are the shading variations. And that doesn't count the set or two that have the Universal legend at the top affecting the three middle cards.

My W516 Johnson, Cobb and Matty are at SGC right now. The Cobb has the image the right way, the Johnson reversed, the Matty the reversed image and the typed font legend. I labeled them per the SCD book. Be interesting to see what they label them.

In terms of value, I would say that a major HOFer (Cobb, Ruth, etc.) is in three figures for a decent looking midgrade card and goes up from there, but you can still find lesser HOFers in decent shape for under $50. Black Sox - fugedaboutit; multiple hundreds for them, esp. the guys who aren't in other sets.