Graded T206 Trimmed?

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Posted By: dan mckee

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=31718&item=5195591217&rd=1

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Posted By: dan mckee

Concentrate on the top border. Dave F. If I win this can I cross it over to an SGC 10.5 ???

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Posted By: marty

Sweet looking card on three sides.

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Posted By: David Vargha

The top-front right definitely looks like it has a bat ear. But I don't see it on the back side scan.

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Posted By: tbob

I think if you broke it open and sold the card you'd be lucky to get $25 for it as a trimmed card.

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Posted By: Lee Behrens

Back is obvious just look at the top border, not a blue line all the way across, definately not an even cut.

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Posted By: Wp

A very old grade.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

Doesn't even fit their holder. Not that the underendowed plastic comparers on the registry will care.

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Posted By: dan mckee

A very old grade? Does that mean that only newly graded stuff from PSA is done properly? What does it matter when it was graded? If I recall, PSA's best graders were the original ones who now run GAI.

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Posted By: Harry_Pairatesties

I thought Mike Baker was the best grader in the business?Maybe this was a basement special 2.00 a card with breakfast!

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Posted By: Hoytdunk

I saw a number of cards from the "T206 Southern Card find" and owned a few as well. In case there are some on the board that are not familiar with the find, these T206's were stored away and untouched for years and were generally as mint as most 2005 cards. Some of these cards were so uncirculated that there were shavings were still attached to the top and/or bottom borders.

I do know that a chunk of the cards from the find had a charactistic of the blade did not cut completely across the top border the card (from the factory cut) and left one top corner "hooked".

I owned a card from this find a few years ago. I ourchased it from someone who bought the card just after the find and the card had the "hook".

I am not sure how to view such a card, because the corner hooked, but it was from the factory cut, not deceptive trimming.

I bring this up, because the corner in the scan of the card in question in this thread, looks like the cards in the Southern Find.

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Posted By: dan mckee

It is not possible for a T206 to have dog ears from the factory. The dog ears come from a paper cutter and T206's were not factory cut this way. Dog ears on a card means trimmed. At least it always has as far back as I can remember. And I was referring to Mike Baker who now runs GAI.

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Posted By: Hoytdunk

The last T206 I had from this find (I elluded to earlier) did get rejected. I sold it to a graded dealer raw and I am sure it eventually got into a holder.

But I am 100 % positive that some cards from the Southern Find had dog ears on the top borders and it did not come from deceptive trimming. Impossible or not, that was the case.

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Posted By: WP

Maybe the guys at Southern cards trimmed a few??

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Posted By: Hoytdunk

If you saw these cards, trimming wasn't necessary. These cards were as nice T206 as ever hit the market.

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Posted By: dan mckee

36 years of collecting T206's, I am not buying it, sorry.

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Posted By: BRIANKW

Hi Guys,
Gotta agree with DAN on this one. I purchased about 40 cards from the Southern Find and NONE have dog eared cuts. In fact most are slightly oversized, but some are Factory short, but not trimmed.


Be well Brian

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Posted By: PASJD

Why would cards from the "find" have a different cut? Were they from a particular factory?

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Posted By: Hoytdunk

Look, the last thing I look to do is getting in a pissing contest about T206.

The bottomline is some of the T206 from the Southern Find did have a dog ear. I am not getting this third or forthhand. I saw the cards. In fact I saw more than 40 of them. I am not saying everyone had dogears, but some did. That is fact, not conjecture.

The last T206 I handled from that find had the following history. The find had several partners that, after a few buyouts on the deal, ended up with three partners. Those three sold the cards to Southern Cards, hence the "Southern Find" label was born.

The first show one of the three original partners did after the find was in Winston-Salem, NC and a friend of mine bought, what he thought was the best looking "common". The "common" ended up being a Hall-of-Famer.....Vic Willis.

I looked at the card at the 1999 Atlanta National. The owner did not want to sell it at the time. He submitted the card to PSA in 2003 and it came back whacked (it had a dogear). He ran it on EBAY, where I purchased it in the summer or fall of 2003.

As I said, this is fact, not fiction.

Dan, you beat me by two years. I bought my first T206 in 1971.

My only point is that some SF cards had a dogear, thus is a POSSIBLE explanation of why the card in question on EBAY looks like it does. I am sorry if my opinions and statement of facts caused a disagreement.

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Posted By: warshawlaw

And it is fun.

I have to disagree with one thing, Hoytdunk, though: if I am reading it right, your recitation isn't fact, it is hearsay. That is, you are relating what someone told you about the Southern Find's cards and their disposition, rather than something you witnessed firsthand, because you were not involved in the original deal. Anything could have occurred during the interim between bringing the cards into the hobby and your seeing them, including trimming.

If I am wrong, please correct me. I am wrong frequently

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Posted By: dan mckee

I can respect your opinion but I still disagree, as Adam states, maybe 1 of the 3 original finders trimmed his grouping. You would need to find a group yourself fresh to the hobby that was dog eared to be sure and I have found many groups, 600+ recently with 7s in it and none dog eared. I have seen many dog eared cards over the years, tobacco and topps and all have been trimmed. The T206 cutting process was a block cutter I believe hence making it impossible to create the dog ear effect. A paper cutter on the other hand, will make this everytime. And yes, disagreeing is good for discussion. Dan.

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Posted By: T206Collector

...is the statement that these cards were so nice they didn't have to be trimmed. Well, usually, the best reason to trim one edge is to make it look as pristine as 3 pristine edges. Thus, it's the best condition cards that are most susceptible to having been trimmed. That is, after all, why I am quite satisfied with T206 cards graded 4's and 5's, with nice even wear on all four corners.