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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard
Please go to my website - |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Judge Dred
Thank you for the link. These threads really hit home and create a reality check for our hobby. I don't like to think that our hobby is in a shambles but we do have issues that need to be dealt with and brought to light. As long as the information provided is accurate then I don't mind reading about it. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: dan mckee
Great link! I enjoyed reading my PSA court victory again! Dan. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: davidcycleback
I thought the fake Ruth signed photo story was interesting (As pictured/described in the link, the photo's back has a five digit zip code address. The United States 5 digit zip code was introduced in 1962, meaning the photo was made well after Ruth's death). Counting the numbers in the zip code is a technique used by experienced photo collectors to identify many reprints. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: jay behrens
It amazes me that people even bother collecting autographs anymore. I stayed away from them in the 80s because I knew forgeries were rampant back then, and it's worse now. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard
Jay - unfortunately there is a lot of truth to what you are saying. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: david
why does american memorablia seem to be involved in just about most of these questionable scenarios. i stopped looking at their items after the old judge proof debacle. this just reinforces the notion of staying away from them |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: PASJD
This information reflects the tip of a very large iceberg, but nostalgia and/or the collecting impulse and/or the naivite of the general populace are so powerful that scandals will not make a dent in either the integrity of sellers or the spending of buyers. The WIWAG mess, the rumors about the T206 Wagner, and other things too numerous to mention have not hurt PSA a bit judging from its stock price and from ebay. I seriously doubt the issues raised on this board about the Keeler cabinet and its undisclosed "cleaning" and/or "stabilization" by an undislosed outside "conservator" will make one iota of impact on either Mastro's disclosure policies or people's unquenchable lust to buy items from Mastro. As much as I applaud efforts by Richard and Robert and others I may not know about, I just don't see the autograph/game-used bat/game-used jersey etc. market drying up. The criminals, if they are criminals, will weather any minor storms because the demand is so insatiable and people want to believe items are as they are represented to be. I hope I am wrong, but I think plus ca change, plus ca meme chose. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: dennis
but at least if you read this boards posts it will make you aware problems are out there. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Judge Dred
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: davidcycleback
The best thing is for the collector to have a knowledge, experience and genuine interest in the material he or she collects. The second is to deal with honest and knowledgeable dealers (and many exist). As Richard noted, a good dealer doesn't mean a person who never makes a mistakes, but that if a mistake is made it is fixed. The third is to have people who can give you knowledgeable second opinions on material (This board is an prime example for Pre-War baseball card collectors). |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard
I have been exchanging e mails with someone who thinks that I am doing the hobby a disservice by exposing the practices of PSA. He thinks conduct like PSA's should not be known by the general public, because it undermines their confidence in authenticators and the hobby. He refuses to tell me who he is. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: davidcycleback
If Richard Simon describing in detail autograph errors is not a service to the hobby and its collectors spending hard earned money, I don't know what is. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: jay behrens
Sounds to me like someone has a very strong finanacial interest in PSA and PSA authenticated items. If PSA/DNA COS's become essentially worthless, there are going to be a lot of unhappy people. As someone else mentioned, if they are unwilling to disclose who they are, then their opinion is esstentially worthless since they aren't willing to back it up. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard
Thanks for the supporting statements so far. I will be in severe distress for a while (Jets fan:) ) but I will be reading the board. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: dennis
you are providing baseball collectors a service that is very welcome....keep up the good work. you should start a new thread asking that question. i think you would get about 95% favorable response here. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: warshawlaw
PSA/DNA is just like anyone else: they make mistakes. It doesn't even bother me having Orlando (who I think is a lying turd BTW) sign the certs on behalf of PSA/DNA because you are buying the PSA/DNA cert, so long as he's not the one looking at the stuff. What bugs me is that the company is a mealy-mouthed weasel of a corporation that refuses to own up to its errors and make restitution to its victims. If PSA wants you to count on its opinions and make money by dispensing them, then dammit, step up and stand behind them. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: PASJD
It's interesting. A couple of years ago I bought a relatively expensive (for me anyway) card graded NM/MT 8 that on close inspection had a small crease. When I could not get restitution from the seller, I sent Joe Orlando an email, he wrote back saying to send the card to him, and he refunded my money promptly. I was very impressed. But when a similar thing happened to me about a month ago, several emails went unanswered. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Josh Evans
Richard, keep fighting the good fight |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Kevin O
Your website saved me from some costly mistakes a few years ago. Since that point I have divested myself of all but a handful of autographs--those that my grandfather and father obtained in person at the Polo Grounds and Ebbets Field. It's just not worth the risk anymore. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: warshawlaw
If vintage, however, maybe it isn't a forgery but is a fake--maybe a dad tried to make a son feel good with a forgery to make good on a promise? |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard Simon
You might have hit the nail on the head there with the statement that a dad might have signed it for his son. It would not be the first time I have seen something like that happen. It does not look like the Babe's sig. to me. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Rhys
That reminds me of an older episode of Sanford and Son I saw a few years ago, where a friend of Red Fox's son wanted to make something he did up to Red, so he gave him a Jackie Robinson autographed ball (this was probably in about 1974, so only a few years after Jackie died), but when Sanford looked at the ball a few hours later he realized the name was spelled "Jacky" and that the guy had just scribbled the name on the ball thinking nobody would know. Only episode of Sanford and Son I have ever labored through, but it was pretty funny. Sounds like the same type of thing going on here. I wonder how many people did something like this innocently in the past and now own a worthless family heirloom. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Tim Mayer
not a worthless family handme down, just one that has no resale value:) |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Foster S. Jeter
I posted it on the CU boards and I'll post it here: the hobby sorely needs people like you and guys like Robert Plancich that keep people informed. This article, http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/story/271656p-232674c.html, only highlights that fact. I admit I don't have six figures to spend on a piece of memorabilia but if I did, I would definately want peace of mind that it is what it is reported to be. Keep up the good work! |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Richard Simon
Thanks to everyone on this board for their outpouring of support. |
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PSA Autograph Authentication Problems
Posted By: Rob L
Richard, |
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