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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Rob L
I thought this might be interesting to see what the forum members think. It will be interesting to tally up the results in a couple of weeks. Feel free to pick out of the these choices or another choice and debate it if you like. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
The usual reasons: he won the second-most games pitching for a poor team. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: John/z28jd
I choose Johnson too,his shutout and strikeout records along with the amount of wins for a bad team is just too much to overlook when compared to the rest |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Gary B.
I think I'll give it to Walter Johnson too, but I almost voted for Christy Mathewson because of his high winning percentage. Johnson had more wins though on a bad team... |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: JimB
I vote for Johnson as well for the same reasons. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Josh K.
Perhaps we ought to ask who we believe to be the second best dead-ball era pitcher. I too vote for Johnson for many if not all of the reasons stated above. My vote for #2 - Matty. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
more interesting survey! But perhaps we all agree on that one, too... |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Gary B.
Matty comes second for me too... |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Judge Dred
I guess we need to petition MLB and let them know that the name of the award needs to be changed to the Walter Johnson Award - but it just doesn't have that snappy ring to it like the "Cy Young Award." |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Josh K.
Yes, but just consider how snappy the Walter Johnson award would sound had we grown up knowing nothing different. Or, how about the Big Train Award - that sounds pretty good. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Rob L
Wow, so far Walter Johnson - 7; anybody else - 0. Definitely interesting. Since Matty appears to be a clear second. Maybe we should rate the top three. Anyways, here are mine: |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: John/z28jd
My top 3 are the same as yours Rob, Johnson,Matty,Cy |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Josh K.
Ditto. I honestly dont think we are going to see a lot of disagreement until spots 4 through 10. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Gary B.
on the top three - amazing! |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Jason
You can't really go wrong with either Johnson or Mathewson. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Chris
I agree with Walter Johnson being the best. My vote for most underrated goes to Deacon Phillippe. Was great early on and nearly single handedly won the first World Series. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: jay behrens
I forget the exact number, but Walter Johnson lost over 50 games in his career by the score 1-0. His win total is staggering enough, but would be even more impressive had he gotten any kind of run support. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Sean Coe
My ranking of those mentioned: 1.Johnson 2.Mathewson 3.Young 4.Brown 5.Ruth 6.Waddell 7.Joss. I think I would have to put Chief Bender in front of Ruth. He was a money pitcher. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Judge Dred
Jason, |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Gary B.
I don't know if I could put Ruth up that high. Admittedly, he was a great pitcher with a phenomenal winning percentage, and even better ERA, but I don't think he pitched long enough to qualify as one of the dead ball era greats, at least not in the top 10. Joss didn't play too long either, but he at least had a few more years than Ruth. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Jason
I didn't want to say 60 wins for Radbourne in a season but that number did stick in my head. If my memory continues to serve me, not only did he benefit from the closer mound to plate distance but I believe the guy started almost every second day. I remember reading Box scores of the championship series in Total Baseball and I think he started the first four games of the series. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
Home plate was still 50' from the pitcher's mound--that would of course apply to OPPOSING pitchers too, no? His ERA that year was 1.38. It took 6 balls to walk a batter... |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Judge Dred
The story about Radbourn's 60 win season goes something like this: |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
He won 311 and lost 194. HOF 1939. This year his Old Judge card (all 18 of them--slight exaggeration--) list(s) for 1,800. Only the portrait lists for 6000. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Gilbert Maines
Judge - Johnson at 45-50' is real frightening. Isn't Walter Johnson the all time leader in hit batsmen? No helmets, yikes. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Hal Lewis
I believe from reading my 1868 "The Game of Baseball" by Henry Chadwick that the catchers in the 19th century did NOT stand right behind the batter. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: runscott
(which you have to buy) it sounded like the players felt it was Johnson, Waddell and Mathewson, in about that order. I missed seeing any of them play, so I can't really say. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: runscott
what's your email address? The one I normally use is getting rejected and I need to clue you in on something on ebay |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Rob L
Has anyone ever seen any video of Walter Johnson pitching? The only footage I have ever seen is from the Ken Burns documentary. Is there anything else? |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
1893. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Darren J. Duet
I agree that Walter Johnson was the best pitcher of the era, but not by a mile. On a average season basis Christy Mathewson appears to edge out Walter Johnson(based solely on statistics). But when you take a look at the big picture and consider the team support each must have had, I vote for the Big Train. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Julie
Nobody disagreed, did they? |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: shoo
Ill be going against the norm here but I have to go with Cy Young who not only was a great pitcher but also a great hitter compiling 638 hits not sure if it is still the record or not. Its a dead heat for second with the Big Train, the Big six and grover cleveland alexander who did a stint in WWI, Its just an opinion all of them were great. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: john/z28jd
If youre taking hitting into consideration then its even more of an arguement towards Johnson over Young,because Walter hit 235 career compared to .210 for Young.His hits record is due to longevity.In 600 fewer at-bats Johnson also had more extra base hits |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: shoo
I believe young pitched for 22years and johnson 21 years hardly a difference. Young had 16 20 or more win seasons, 5 times with 30 or more, johnson 12 and 2, like i said its just an opinion. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: john/z28jd
I wasnt 2nd guessing your pick,i was just saying using hitting doesnt help Young over Johnson.If you gave Walter an extra 600 plus at-bats to equal how many Cy had then there would be a huge difference in hitting stats but as it stands they still favor Johnson.25 point difference in batting average ALONG with more extra base hits in 600 plus fewer at-bats is a big plus for Johnson. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: John Dickson
A lifetime ERA of 1.82 is amazing. Joss is close behind at 1.88 for 9 years. That takes poor run support out of the picture. |
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Survey: Who are the three best dead-ball era pitchers?
Posted By: Rob L
Based on the original question of the best deadball era pitcher, the total is: |
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