Trump calls on Baseball Hall of Fame to admit Roger Clemens

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Originally Posted by gunboat82

I'm from Massachusetts, but I'm not sure why that's relevant. Clemens and Ortiz both played for the Red Sox, and Clemens was my favorite pitcher growing up.

More importantly, my position isn't necessarily that Ortiz was clean. It's that we don't know what he tested positive for in 2003, because the results covered a wide range of PEDs -- not just steroids. I'm on record in another HOF thread acknowledging that Ortiz might have used steroids, that MLB probably looked the other way until it couldn't anymore, and that all the elite players suspected of using steroids (including Clemens and Bonds) should be inducted.

The smiley indicates it is less than sincere - a joke that Red Sox fans tend to defend Ortiz heavily.

I'd love to hear how there is more evidence that Clemens used than that Ortiz did, since that was my claim you disagreed with. Clemens DNA was on different items than the steroid items in McNamee's blackmail box and some of it wasn't even a definitive match to him at all anyways - This should be used against Clemens anyways but we have to dismiss Ortiz' failed test because we don't know which PED he tested positive for only that it was a PED on the list of illegitimate substances being tested for? This is the perfect illustration of my point. Accusation and nonsense is enough for some players; material evidence must be dismissed for certain others though.