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Old 11-03-2025, 01:33 PM
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No Kenny Lofton is criminal.
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Kenny Lofton not being on this list and Kenny Lofton being a 1-and-done HOF ballot guy are both insults to his career.
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No Kenny Lofton is criminal.
Outfielder with not much power playing for smaller market teams, you can see why the bias against him. Not saying it's justified.
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My prediction is none of them get in. I'd vote for Bonds and Clemens, but [spoilers] I'm not on the committee.
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Old 11-03-2025, 02:58 PM
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Here are the votes that the 4 returning players got last time:

Barry Bonds (<4 votes last time)
Roger Clemens (<4 votes last time)
Don Mattingly (8 votes last time)
Dale Murphy (6 votes last time)

It's surprising that Bonds and Clemens are back on the ballot again. The following rule changes were made earlier this year, but they must not apply to previous ballots.

"Any candidate on the eight-person ballot who receives fewer than five votes from the 16-member panel will not be eligible for that committee's ballot during the next three-year cycle, the hall said Wednesday. A candidate who is dropped, later reappears on a ballot and again receives fewer than five votes would be barred from future ballot appearances."
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Barry Bonds/Roger Clemens/Gary Sheffield - Obviously numerically deserving, vote/decision is entirely 100% based on steroids and ones opinion of that.

Don Mattingly/Dale Murphy - Fan favorite, career numbers aren't there, but odds are decent they'll make it anyways from a committee of insiders.

Carlos Delgado - Clearly deserving of a genuine look, especially if the steroid guys are being kept out. Blocking the steroid guys and then also blocking the guys in that B tier of star hitters without drug problems doesn't make much sense and leads to very few selections compared to other eras. Travesty Delgado was one and done on the writers ballot.

Jeff Kent - One of the top hitting 2B, should be in already. Easy yes.

Fernando Valenzuela - Lol. Lmao. Clearly undeserving, Jim Kaat level 104 ERA+ performance with like 1,500 less innings.



A small insider voting committee and constructing ballots with repeating names effectively ensure poor outcomes and getting certain guys in eventually.
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Who is more corrupt and worthless?

Neither are both

1. The Hall of Fame and their committee's opinions. Probably corrupt in a way, but not worthless

2. Net54 and their countless Hall of Fame thread's opinions. Not corrupt, but mostly worthless. (entertainment value aside)

A consensus of opinion in both groups is both meaningless and impossible.

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Old 11-04-2025, 08:56 AM
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Clemens and Bonds need in and add the others if we want more Hall of OK members.

I have never got the PED thing. They are ALL on PEDs to this day and have been for many many decades. PED tests are more of an IQ test than anything. If you don't think so remind me how many PED tests Lance Armstrong failed.
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I believe Gary Sheffield is on the ballot as well
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I think only Bonds and Clemens are deserving (ducks*)

Yet, the HOF is so watered down now let them all in who cares
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Mattingly is most likely to get in, especially since he just helped the Jays get to the WS. I'd love to see Murphy get in as well. This may be his last shot. It will be very interesting to see what happens with Bonds and Clemens. No way of predicting that before knowing who's on the voting committee. And Fernando Valenzuela? Where the heck did that come from? Lofton or Jim Edmonds would have been better picks. Ditto for Whitaker, Evans, the list goes on and on.
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