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Old 09-09-2025, 04:50 PM
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Side note:

Another bad thing about all of this is the fact it was a Phillies fan. Even 1,000 miles away from Citizens Bank Park, it seems like the old "700 Level at The Vet" behavior and image will persist.

As someone who has been going to Phillies games for nearly 50 years, I dislike seeing anything that reinforces that stigma. Philadelphia fans have been booing Santa Claus, punching police horses, and throwing batteries for as long as I can remember. Approximately 1 in every million Philadelphia fans...but those are the ones people remember.

Now we have another fan's behavior to deal with, and this one traveled quite some distance to bring shame to Phillies fans.
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Old 09-09-2025, 05:16 PM
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she’s out of control - poor doggy 🙁
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Old 09-09-2025, 06:12 PM
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she’s out of control - poor doggy 🙁
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Old 09-09-2025, 05:28 PM
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Hi Eric- I find we are usually on the same sheet of music, but not this time.
I watched the video again, in slow motion, and can offer these observations:

1) Most importantly, and concerning the original point of the post, the
internet witch hunt went terribly awry (shock!) and was grossly wrong.
That's awful for the improperly accused woman.

2) I've seen countless scrambles too. You are correct in that the father wasn't violent; instead, he was a sneak. This doesn't justify what he did.

3) There were actually 2 people, not one, within crouching distance of
retrieving the ball. They didn't get the chance, despite easily being closest
to it and clearly making an effort to track it. Hard to judge by video of
course, I'd say the father snuck in from 15 feet away. I mean, was he
hoping the other people had no spines, or did he actually believe his
behavior was proper? Who knows, not good either way...

4) Try this mental exercise. Imagine yourself at the grocery in an aisle. You
look down at the ground for an item on the bottom shelf, and bend
to pick it up. As you do so, you notice a $50 bill on the ground next to you.
Then you see a guy in your peripheral vision, who abandoned his cart 15
away, swoop in and grab the $50 as you are reaching for it. Said guy then
scurries back to his cart, ignoring the fact that you are still crouched
where the bill was, and apparently acting like he has all of a sudden
become invisible. Would you say something to this guy? I would...

5) You called the East Coast behavior thing- I was thinking it, you called it.
Neither party acted well, for sure. I am glad the Phillies stepped up for
the young fan.

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Old 09-09-2025, 07:28 PM
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4) Try this mental exercise. Imagine yourself at the grocery in an aisle. You
look down at the ground for an item on the bottom shelf, and bend
to pick it up. As you do so, you notice a $50 bill on the ground next to you.
Then you see a guy in your peripheral vision, who abandoned his cart 15
away, swoop in and grab the $50 as you are reaching for it. Said guy then
scurries back to his cart, ignoring the fact that you are still crouched
where the bill was, and apparently acting like he has all of a sudden
become invisible. Would you say something to this guy? I would...


Trent King
Thanks Trent I certainly enjoy the videos you make of card shows , but .. and I’m not super invested in this - If I was in the ladies position I would’ve simply thought “damn too bad Bader didn’t hit it 10 feet farther” -
The grocery thing is completely different, I’m not needing/wanting someone else’s $50 (Believe it or not ) but your right, I certainly would’ve spoke up n said “hey fella let’s find out who’s $50 that is”

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Old 09-09-2025, 08:21 PM
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The guy went past 4 or 5 empty seats to get a home run ball for his son on (or almost on) his birthday. He didn't appear to do anything crazy to get it - no obvious pushing someone out of his way or grabbing it out of someone's hands. I've seen people at games do way worse things to get a ball than this guy did.
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The guy went past 4 or 5 empty seats to get a home run ball for his son on (or almost on) his birthday. He didn't appear to do anything crazy to get it - no obvious pushing someone out of his way or grabbing it out of someone's hands. I've seen people at games do way worse things to get a ball than this guy did.
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I'm not sure how many people, I would hope a majority, upon seeing the man give the ball to a child would have just smiled, waved and walked away. That's not a battle, even if you win, that you will ever win in the court of public opinion.
Just ask the guy who snatched the signed tennis players hat away from a kid.
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Old 09-09-2025, 10:31 PM
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I guess we all have different point of views, mine is the guy was well within his rights to gather the ball, she was out of line ,period. Otherwise you are saying no one can get a ball unless it is hit directly to you, with your rump seated, and not even sure you can reach for it.
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Old 09-10-2025, 03:53 AM
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Thomas (icurnmedic)-

1) The internet rage mob were out of line for misidentifying the woman.

2) The guy was out of line. I get the distinct feeling many of the people
defending his behavior on this site, would not have been happy with him
weaseling past to grab a ball you were going to pick up, then gleefully
pretending to be invisible (and playing the victim) immediately after.

3) The woman was out of line, far too confrontational. It may well be,
however, that she too had someone who would like to own a HR ball
(a grandchild, maybe).

4) In short, bad behavior by all the adults involved. Phillies did the right
thing though. Main lesson is we live in a society that is largely graceless.

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Old 09-09-2025, 08:52 PM
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Side note:

Another bad thing about all of this is the fact it was a Phillies fan. Even 1,000 miles away from Citizens Bank Park, it seems like the old "700 Level at The Vet" behavior and image will persist.

As someone who has been going to Phillies games for nearly 50 years, I dislike seeing anything that reinforces that stigma. Philadelphia fans have been booing Santa Claus, punching police horses, and throwing batteries for as long as I can remember. Approximately 1 in every million Philadelphia fans...but those are the ones people remember.

Now we have another fan's behavior to deal with, and this one traveled quite some distance to bring shame to Phillies fans.
I think the worst was when a Phillies player hit a woman with a foul ball, and as they were carrying her out on a stretcher, he hit her again. That was cold.
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Old 09-10-2025, 08:43 AM
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I think the worst was when a Phillies player hit a woman with a foul ball, and as they were carrying her out on a stretcher, he hit her again. That was cold.
If Ashburn had that kind of bat control, I suspect he’d have won a lot more batting titles.

Richie kept in touch with that woman throughout the years. He felt horrible about what had happened.
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If Ashburn had that kind of bat control, I suspect he’d have won a lot more batting titles.

Richie kept in touch with that woman throughout the years. He felt horrible about what had happened.
It was always one of his favorite stories to tell during games.
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Two things are wrong with this Phillies homer.

1) The woman who accosted the man for a ball he fairly got. Home runs are fair game, this woman had no right to the ball because it was hit near her. The man did NOTHING wrong. He ran over and snagged it off the concrete. The woman didn't have it in her hands...Not even sure how she thought she was going to grab it with a phone in her hand.

2) The internet trying to track this woman down and ruin her life. It's just a Harrison Bader home run. It's not like this was a milestone million dollar baseball.
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1) Couldn't you apply "It's not like this was a milestone million-dollar baseball" to the man's behavior, as well? I am NOT defending the woman's outburst, I'm saying the logic goes both ways.

2) More than one commenter has mentioned the word "right" in a post on
this topic. I'm certain I haven't stated anyone has a "right" to possess a
foul ball. It's more accurate to say it's a matter of propriety. I wouldn't make
a beeline to another section of seats, casually pop in front of the folks who
were MUCH closer to the ball, snag it, then go back and make sure I didn't
look their way afterward. Would you? The guy was sneaky, period.

3) I'm not an apologist for the woman. When I watch the video I just think
it's pretty gross all the way around. The internet behavior is deplorable.
Our species doesn't come off looking good at all

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Ever been to a major league baseball game? Home run balls have been a free for all since time began. The guy you are saying was in the wrong did absolutely nothing wrong at all.
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