Another T206 Wagner

[Tao_Moko]

I worked in a card shop in the '80's and '90's and would take these and show the owner a real one(not Wagner obviously) held up to a bright light, and then theirs held up. Aside from the other tell/tell signs, if you can see the silhouette through the back when holding up to the light then you see the difference. Next would be to show the difference in printing through a magnifying loupe. For the owner of this card - Unfortunately there is zero % chance that this is authentic. Buy a low cost authentic T-206 and a $10 loupe and check for yourself. There are available resources for what to look for when viewing through a loupe.

[Luke]

Standard counterfeit, but if you believe yourself over everyone else, PSA will take your $20,000 and tell you the same

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Luke

Standard counterfeit, but if you believe yourself over everyone else, PSA will take your $20,000 and tell you the same

Does PSA charge if the card comes back as questionable authenticity? The once or twice that has happened to me, my recollection is that they didn't charge me.

Now, for something like this, they might make an exception, just to keep from being inundated with fakes and reprints trying to sneak their way through, with zero downside.

[Beercan collector]

Sometimes I think some non-collectors see these on Etsy and think they stumbled upon something nobody knows about

[Exhibitman]

Bluntly speaking, these threads are kinda stupid and merit only one reply:

TO THE OWNER OF THIS ITEM:



If you really believe that you have what you think you have, don't waste your time (and our time) here soliciting armchair opinions. No one here is going to buy a raw "T206" Wagner. If you want real answers, take it to a reputable auction house or, better yet, send it for grading. If not, you are just another scammer looking to get rich quick on someone else's hope and/or stupidity.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by Beercan collector

Sometimes I think some non-collectors see these on Etsy and think they stumbled upon something nobody knows about

Actually I think that's how it usually happens. A collector spots the card on a non-conventional site for cards such as Etsy, Kijiji or Craigslist and thinks he's taking advantage of a non-collector who's selling an item he found in a deceased relative's cigar box not realizing that it's an absolute treasure.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by raulus

Does PSA charge if the card comes back as questionable authenticity?

Yep.

[jchcollins]

It's ironic how predictable this type of stuff is, yet we see it over and over again and are somehow still amazed.

At the end of the day, if you tell somebody something they really just don't want to believe in their hearts - they aren't going to believe you. Whether that's the fact that Dad is Santa Claus, or that the T206 Wagner you found in the attic is a fake. Perhaps the most deep end example of this is that "Cobb Edwards" Wagner that those two guys have been trying to prove is real (it's not...) off and on for multiple decades now. Some of the lengths they have gone to are absurd.

It still somehow makes me feel like the bad guy to point stuff like this out. Guy at a show earlier this year came up to a dealer table I was standing at as if he had a snake in backpack, and pulled out a very obviously fake '49 Leaf Jackie Robinson. When I rendered my opinion (& the dealer agreed...) the guy just looked at us both as if we'd kicked his dog.

[Exhibitman]

Happens all the time in my business. Reality checks are not fun. Clients come in with fantastical expectations for their cases and I have to bring them back down to earth. If I had a dollar for every time I've heard "yes, but" from a potential client with a fantasy claim, I'd own a real T206 Wagner.

[Aquarian Sports Cards]

Originally Posted by raulus

Does PSA charge if the card comes back as questionable authenticity? The once or twice that has happened to me, my recollection is that they didn't charge me.

Now, for something like this, they might make an exception, just to keep from being inundated with fakes and reprints trying to sneak their way through, with zero downside.

You absolutely get charged for ?authenticity. You don't get charged for Min Sz or factory MC if it's diamond cut and they won't grade it.

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by Aquarian Sports Cards

You absolutely get charged for ?authenticity. You don't get charged for Min Sz or factory MC if it's diamond cut and they won't grade it.

Correct. Make no mistake - PSA makes a boatload of cash every year on cards like this and fake ‘52 Mantles. Part of the reason the grading cost is as high as it is based on value is to discourage people from submitting obvious fakes.


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[BillyCoxDodgers3B]

Originally Posted by jchcollins

Part of the reason the grading cost is as high as it is based on value is to discourage people from submitting obvious fakes.

Perhaps I'm reading something incorrectly, so forgive me, but I don't think they mind people sending the fakest of the fake, and welcome all of it. A sub is a sub. They are not in the business of discouraging any money that comes their way. Grading costs are only high because people keep paying it.

This thread does make a person wonder how many people have actually spent that kind of money submitting an obviously fake/reprint Wagner (well, not obvious to the submitter).

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

Perhaps I'm reading something incorrectly, so forgive me, but I don't think they mind people sending the fakest of the fake, and welcome all of it. A sub is a sub. They are not in the business of discouraging any money that comes their way. Grading costs are only high because people keep paying it.

Truth!

[jchcollins]

Originally Posted by BillyCoxDodgers3B

I don't think they mind people sending the fakest of the fake, and welcome all of it. A sub is a sub. They are not in the business of discouraging any money that comes their way. Grading costs are only high because people keep paying it.

All a matter of perspective. If I were a vintage card novice, it would be discouraging to ME personally at that price point to sub something that I knew so little about.

Put another way, if they are going to be in the business of passing judgment on fakes, you can be damn sure they are going to set themselves up to be well compensated for it…

[Jewish-collector]

Originally Posted by Luke

Standard counterfeit, but if you believe yourself over everyone else, PSA will take your $20,000 and tell you the same

Does PSA really charge $20,000 to grade the Wagner ?

[BRoberts]

That’s a lot of beers.

[raulus]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

Does PSA really charge $20,000 to grade the Wagner ?

It’s all based on insured value, but that might actually be light. Here’s the pricing for stuff that gets up above $350k in value.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Jewish-collector

Does PSA really charge $20,000 to grade the Wagner ?

Why not? They do it so well.

[Balticfox]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

Why not? They do it so well.

Yes they must do it very well indeed. Look at all the people willing to pay the prices they charge.