Players not yet eligible for the HOF

Peter_Spaeth · #1 05-29-2025, 02:07 PM

Any active pitchers beyond the big three, Cole and Sale who should be considered? DeGrom, already on the list. The traditional stats for all the rest are so unimpressive. Is Fried still a possibility at age 31 and less than 100 wins? Nola who is now awful? Wheeler? Or is the day of the starting pitcher just over?

packs · #2 05-29-2025, 02:59 PM

It's hard to imagine a reality where Blake Snell is a HOF pitcher but he's 32 and has two Cy Young awards during his only two decent seasons as a pro. It's not out of the realm of possibility he manages a third good season sometime before he retires and there isn't anyone with three or more Cy Youngs or who isn't in the HOF other than Clemens (assuming Kershaw, Scherzer and Verlander all get elected).

Peter_Spaeth · #3 05-29-2025, 03:15 PM

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It's hard to imagine a reality where Blake Snell is a HOF pitcher but he's 32 and has two Cy Young awards during his only two decent seasons as a pro. It's not out of the realm of possibility he manages a third good season sometime before he retires and there isn't anyone with three or more Cy Youngs or who isn't in the HOF other than Clemens (assuming Kershaw, Scherzer and Verlander all get elected).

If that happens, he still won't make the Hall. As you point out, he's done literally nothing outside his Cy seasons. The same is not true for any other pitcher in that category.

packs · #4 05-29-2025, 03:27 PM

It would be an interesting case but I also think it would be really hard to advocate for him. At the same time, he would be among elite pitchers.

Peter_Spaeth · #5 05-29-2025, 03:46 PM

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It would be an interesting case but I also think it would be really hard to advocate for him. At the same time, he would be among elite pitchers.

Same concept in my mind if Schwarber hits 500 HR with a .220 BA. So not happening. At one point I thought Bieber and Buehler were going to be the next great pitchers but that doesn't look likely.

packs · #6 05-29-2025, 03:52 PM

I highly doubt Stanton gets there but I feel the same way about him if he were to somehow hit 500 homers. Just not a HOFer in my opinion.

Peter_Spaeth · #7 05-29-2025, 04:00 PM

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I highly doubt Stanton gets there but I feel the same way about him if he were to somehow hit 500 homers. Just not a HOFer in my opinion.

Completely agree.

SyrNy1960 · #8 11-06-2025, 04:51 AM

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I highly doubt Stanton gets there but I feel the same way about him if he were to somehow hit 500 homers. Just not a HOFer in my opinion.

Agree! As a Yankee fan, Stanton needs to be more consistent.

Topnotchsy · #9 11-04-2025, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Any active pitchers beyond the big three, Cole and Sale who should be considered? DeGrom, already on the list. The traditional stats for all the rest are so unimpressive. Is Fried still a possibility at age 31 and less than 100 wins? Nola who is now awful? Wheeler? Or is the day of the starting pitcher just over?

Fried is a sneaky candidate. He is probably only about half way from where he would need to be to warrant entry into the Hall, and he doesn't rack up a lot of K's, so his dominance is not as visceral. But he has an interesting case.

His career ERA+ is 141. That's tied for 19th of all-time for pitchers with 1000+ innings. And among the people ahead of him are:

- 3 relievers
- 4 Negro League pitchers
- 4 deadball era pitchers

The remaining 7 pitchers are: Clayton Kershaw, Pedro Martinez, Jacob DeGrom, Lefty Grove, Walter Johnson, Roger Clemens and Brandon Webb.

Webb played too briefly to warrant HOF consideration and DeGrom is a question mark. The rest are arguably the most dominant pitchers in baseball history. And for 1000+ innings to this point, Fried has matched that.

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