David Hall talks about The Wagner

samosa4u · #1 02-13-2025, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Well he is 82.

Maybe he wants to be buried with his cards so he can enjoy them in the afterlife.

4815162342 · #2 02-13-2025, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by samosa4u

Maybe he wants to be buried with his cards so he can enjoy them in the afterlife.

That would be the ultimate vault.

Snowman · #3 02-13-2025, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

His own collection was said to have many trimmed cards.

PSA built their entire company off the backs of trimmers. He clearly is not concerned with card trimming. He knows the Wagner was trimmed. He just doesn't think it matters. As long as a card "looks right", then that's all that matters to him. Remember, the graders used to meet with dealers at the private events at Nationals to tell them what the edges needed to look like in order for their trimmed cards to pass grading. They would essentially coach them into how to "properly" trim cards.

Peter_Spaeth · #4 02-13-2025, 07:18 PM

What I don't fully get is why, in 30 plus years, not a single former grader or other employee in a position to know has talked. I am sure some of them have enjoyed lucrative relationships with PSA as dealers, but not all. And NDAs can't be the complete answer; people defy those frequently and (not my area of expertise) there are whistleblower protections I imagine might apply. But to my knowledge, it has not happened.

samosa4u · #5 02-13-2025, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

What I don't fully get is why, in 30 plus years, not a single former grader or other employee in a position to know has talked. I am sure some of them have enjoyed lucrative relationships with PSA as dealers, but not all. And NDAs can't be the complete answer; people defy those frequently and (not my area of expertise) there are whistleblower protections I imagine might apply. But to my knowledge, it has not happened.

That's cause' most of them remain in the industry. For example, he will go from PSA to HA to SGC to Goldin, etc. Everyone knows everyone and everyone has to work with everyone. If you say one bad thing about anybody, then you're finished. For example, Joe Orlando went to HA, and like most auction houses, they do a lot of business with PSA. Now, imagine what would happen if Joe started trash-talking Nat Turner or somebody else at PSA? He most likely would lose his job.

Carter08 · #6 02-13-2025, 08:35 PM

What is interesting to me is how much money is involved and, relatedly, how important these things can feel, but then to realize what a small segment of people care. For example, the link has 194 views, guessing mostly from here.

Epps · #7 02-13-2025, 11:12 PM

Bill Mastro - �I trimmed the card�

PSA- �no you didn�t�

Usually it�s the other way around lol

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