How many known collections have been lost

[doug.goodman]

117.

Positive impact for sellers.

Negative impact for buyers.

[G1911]

I'm also getting 117, using the records at the Known Collections Archive (KCA) website, and filtering to the last 15 years exactly.

It's bad for the hobby if one wants more cards, it's good for the hobby if one wants there to be less cards.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by G1911

I'm also getting 117, using the records at the Known Collections Archive (KCA) website, and filtering to the last 15 years exactly.

It's bad for the hobby if one wants more cards, it's good for the hobby if one wants there to be less cards.

I counted 118 but I could’ve counted a collection twice.

[doug.goodman]

Originally Posted by Vintagedeputy

I counted 118 but I could’ve counted a collection twice.

Oops, you're right, 118. I missed the great Alaskan avalanche loss of 2022.

[Vintage Vern]

So how often is it updated? I'd imagine California wildfires have added to the total? Are most raw or graded, and are the cards listed that were destroyed?

[Snowman]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

So how often is it updated? I'd imagine California wildfires have added to the total? Are most raw or graded, and are the cards listed that were destroyed?

They're fucking with you. They think it's a stupid question.

I don't think it's a stupid question, but arriving at a useful estimate would take more thought than I have time to give it.

[Vintage Vern]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They're fucking with you. They think it's a stupid question.

I don't think it's a stupid question, but arriving at a useful estimate would take more thought than I have time to give it.

Thanks, should have known with a few of them.

I just figured you hear about the lost treasures that show up after an older collector passes so I wanted to see about the other side, and the known effect. For graded it has to throw off numbers unless they can be accounted.

[luciobar1980]

Originally Posted by Snowman

They're fucking with you. They think it's a stupid question.

I don't think it's a stupid question, but arriving at a useful estimate would take more thought than I have time to give it.

Not to speak for those guys but I don't necessarily think they thought it was a stupid question, more just goofin'

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Vintage Vern

So how often is it updated? I'd imagine California wildfires have added to the total? Are most raw or graded, and are the cards listed that were destroyed?

The KCA database is a joke. There is no database of all 'known' collections that gets updated as events happen with an inventory of what everyone has. Nor is it plausible this could possibly exist, there is no regulatory body over collectors/not collectors. Most collectors don't even have an inventory of what they have, much less everyone else.

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[BioCRN]

Originally Posted by G1911

Most collectors don't even have an inventory of what they have, much less everyone else.

I've met some collectors of various items that lose track of stuff shipped to their house, or items sit in boxes unopened for months/years. Often they can't even tell you what's in the box when they rediscover it unless they open it.

I've met more than a few card collectors that open package, add to an existing stack of stuff, and "I'll sort it later" with months+ old shipments waiting to be put away somewhere.

I keep telling myself if I ever get to any of those points I need to question my own motivations behind collecting.

[Zach Wheat]

Originally Posted by doug.goodman

117.

Positive impact for sellers.

Negative impact for buyers.

Doug you forgot to add a .

[Snapolit1]

Judging from the oversized AH catalogs that land with a thud on my porch appx. every 2-3 days, not many. Sometimes 2 or 3 catalogs show up in one box.

[mrreality68]

I do not know the answer

but any loss is not good for the hobby, for that collector or reseller.

Yes it shrinks the inventory and could obviously effect Supply/Demand depending on the card or item but

1. to me losing pieces of history and pieces that bring people joy is sad.
2. Insurance cannot replace the item so lost is lost
3. most people do not have insurance or the proper amount of insurance to cover the lost
4. often times these items have memories attached given down thru family and generations and no more
5. the loss of income from the money put in and the time put in etc.

How much was lost that was never known or found or the families did not know what or the value of what they had

But that is part of the collecting cycle just as discovering of cards that were lost or never known to exist (ie the Black Swamp find), The Yatzee box find etc