Hey, pennant guys

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Here is the rare Giants cloth pennant from the series, followed by all of the subsequent versions that are not cloth. I just noticed that the stitches on the bottom pennant go in the opposite direction and the placement of Giants in the ball is different as well.

The one I have with the different ball/stitches orientation has the registered symbol next to the MLB logo, rather than the “s” in Giants.

[Fballguy]

An Epstein contribution to football pennants...

[Fballguy]

If any one has a time machine I can borrow for two weeks or so, I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 30,000% ROI on these. Will gladly compensate you with a 5% cut.

PS...How was shipping so much more efficient (two weeks?), not to mention free, in 1964?

[MK]

Not sure I had seen this pennant without the Frank Chance reference before.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by Fballguy

If any one has a time machine I can borrow for two weeks or so, I'm pretty sure I can get at least a 30,000% ROI on these.

I wasn’t a math major, but your ciphering seems a bit off.

But I hear what you’re saying.

edit: the Google machine tells me “30,000 percent of .70” equals $210 so, yeah, you probably could.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by MK

Not sure I had seen this pennant without the Frank Chance reference before.

That's the one from yesterday's Memory Lane auction, right? The one from ML had 3 sets of tassels. The description had it at 37" x 13". Is that wider than the Frank Chance version?

It seemed a strong price considering that the fading.

On a separate note, I managed to win this Athletics pennant in the auction.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by UKCardGuy

That's the one from yesterday's Memory Lane auction, right? The one from ML had 3 sets of tassels. The description had it at 37" x 13". Is that wider than the Frank Chance version?

It seemed a strong price considering that the fading.

On a separate note, I managed to win this Athletics pennant in the auction.

Nice pickup! Size? Era? Very unusual font.

[perezfan]

Nice pickup Gary... very nifty embroidered Athletics pennant. Super stylish!

To answer your question, the "Frank Chance's Cubs" version came in 2 sizes... Oversized (like the Memory Lane example) and a version that's sized about mid-way between 3/4 and full size. I have the latter, pictured below.

My thought is that the "Frank Chance" version was sold around 1910-12. When Chance subsequently left the Cubs to manage the Yankees in 1913, Repco probably removed his name from the pennant. So I would guess that the Memory Lane example was manufactured around 1913-14.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Nice pickup Gary... very nifty embroidered Athletics pennant. Super stylish!

To answer your question, the "Frank Chance's Cubs" version came in 2 sizes... Oversized (like the Memory Lane example) and a version that's sized about mid-way between 3/4 and full size. I have the latter, pictured below.

My thought is that the "Frank Chance" version was sold around 1910-12. When Chance subsequently left the Cubs to manage the Yankees in 1913, Repco probably removed his name from the pennant. So I would guess that the Memory Lane example was manufactured around 1913-14.

That makes sense Mark. Probably not as many without his name are out there.

[UKCardGuy]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Nice pickup! Size? Era? Very unusual font.

Thanks. It from the 1910s and is 20 inches long.

Thanks Mark for the info about the 2 RepCo Cubs pennants.

[Duluth Eskimo]

Did someone on here bid on this? There is no way this pennant is from 1938.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/296927751925

[bocca001]

Wow, that really picked up at the end. The purple is the one that just sold for $1,200+. The Red one, which is clearly much older, is on Worthpoint. My gut reaction was that the purple was much newer, but I have to admit that I gave it a long questioning look. With things like this, I also always wonder why there are not more examples if it truly is a reproduced/modern version. Why bother to make it if you are going to make so few?

[MK]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Wow, that really picked up at the end. The purple is the one that just sold for $1,200+. The Red one, which is clearly much older, is on Worthpoint. My gut reaction was that the purple was much newer, but I have to admit that I gave it a long questioning look. With things like this, I also always wonder why there are not more examples if it truly is a reproduced/modern version. Why bother to make it if you are going to make so few?

I too questioned whether the purple one was really from 1938. The final price shocked me but then I guess several people were convinced it was original and just in very good shape.

[thetahat]

Based on appearance in the pics alone, I’m on the fence. The graphic is spot on identical. With a repro you can usually see differences but not here. But the creasing is odd and it didn’t crack the paint. Most notably, the stitching on the back is unusual for a pennant that old, although it’s similar to “Epstein”. It actually resembles a Keezer as far as how it was stitched and the appearance of the tassels.

Obviously it will take a collector 0.1 seconds to know for sure upon holding it.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Based on appearance alone, I’m on the fence. The graphic is spot on identical. But the creasing is odd and it didn’t crack the paint. Most notably, the stitching on the back is unusual for a pennant that old, although it’s similar to “Epstein”.
Obviously it will take a collector 0.1 seconds to know for sure upon holding it.

The creasing is what screams “synthetic crap” to me. When did the Worthpoint one sell, Marc?

[thetahat]

Another significant difference is how close/far the stitching is to the edges of the spine. That suggests these were not made at the same time.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

The creasing is what screams “synthetic crap” to me. When did the Worthpoint one sell, Marc?

Having sold the authentic red one not too long ago, I can assure you that Jason is right. The red one had that super thick, lush, soft vintage felt and a much different spine. The purple one is very clearly cheap modern synthetic and is not of the era.

Not sure how or why it was replicated, but whoever did it somehow pulled off the graphics flawlessly.

[MK]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Having sold the authentic red one not too long ago, I can assure you that Jason is right. The red one had that super thick, lush, soft vintage felt and a much different spine. The purple one is very clearly cheap modern synthetic and is not of the era.

Not sure how or why it was replicated, but whoever did it somehow pulled off the graphics flawlessly.

Well now it will be interesting to see if the winner returns it after examining it in person and if it pops up again on eBay.

[Duluth Eskimo]

The red one looks as a pennant from that era should. The stitching, suppleness, and wear all look the part. The graphics have that 80 year crackle look to them. To me, this does not appear to be a modern repro, rather a late 60’s version of the original. I have bought from that seller before and I don’t believe there was any nefarious intent, just a mistake.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Duluth Eskimo

The red one looks as a pennant from that era should. The stitching, suppleness, and wear all look the part. The graphics have that 80 year crackle look to them. To me, this does not appear to be a modern repro, rather a late 60’s version of the original. I have bought from that seller before and I don’t believe there was any nefarious intent, just a mistake.

I agree, this isn’t modern. The felt does look more like a 1960s Trench … thin but not stiff. But if this was old soft felt, and stored away folded for 70 years, it would likely show similar creases, wouldn’t it? And I can’t get past the identical screening. I can’t see even the slightest aberration. I’m like 60/40 in favor of fugazi. It’s an odd pennant to remake and who was doing that in the 1960s?

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

I agree, this isn’t modern. The felt does look more like a 1960s Trench … thin but not stiff. But if this was old soft felt, and stored away folded for 70 years, it would likely show similar creases, wouldn’t it? And I can’t get past the identical screening. I can’t see even the slightest aberration. I’m like 60/40 in favor of fugazi. It’s an odd pennant to remake and who was doing that in the 1960s?

I know a guy who can make almost any pennant….repro and fantasies. 🤫

[cmoore330]

I picked up this oversized, early one with some of the most beautiful embroidery I have seen on a pennant. Could it be Tigers or not? I believe the interlocking letters spell MICH. It's great either way, but I would love to hear opinions.

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[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by cmoore330

I picked up this oversized, early one with some of the most beautiful embroidery I have seen on a pennant. Could it be Tigers or not? I believe the interlocking letters spell MICH. It's great either way, but I would love to hear opinions.

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I doubt it’s Tigers. While the letters M I C and H could well be an abbreviation for Michigan, they could also be rearranged into countless acronyms. Even if they do stand for Michigan, I would guess it’s a city, not team, pennant.

[perezfan]

Agree with Rob. I do think the letters spell out "MICH" but it's most likely a City Souvenir Pennant. Nothing at all to indicate it's baseball-related, although the color scheme doesn't rule it out.

Gorgeous and majestic pennant, either way!

[Domer05]

Wow, what a beautiful, 4-letter monogram pennant! But, yeah, I agree: this is likely a travel/souvenir pennant.

[bocca001]

Some recent pickups. Nothing too crazy, but all nice examples or color variations I did not have.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by bocca001

Some recent pickups. Nothing too crazy, but all nice examples or color variations I did not have.

Absolutely gorgeous.

[cmoore330]

Thank you for the feedback! It confirms what I thought, but I figured I would ask!

[thetahat]

Displaying my favorites from my very modest collection of football pennants. Trench really produced some quality in the 50s and 60s. The fully colorized 49ers is the most attractive pennant I’ve ever seen, in any sport. The “Go Get ‘Em Rams” might be top 5.

What pennant of yours is your favorite, putting value aside, strictly in terms of “eye appeal”?

[Hankphenom]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Displaying my favorites from my very modest collection of football pennants. Trench really produced some quality in the 50s and 60s. The fully colorized 49ers is the most attractive pennant I’ve ever seen, in any sport. The “Go Get ‘Em Rams” might be top 5. What pennant of yours is your favorite, putting value aside, strictly in terms of “eye appeal”?

Love the Packers, and the Texans is great. What's the year on these?

[bocca001]

Nice, Greg. I like the miner panning the football too. So many variations in material and graphics colors.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

nice, greg. I like the miner panning the football too. So many variations in material and graphics colors.

AMAZING! The green and blue felt versions especially.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by Hankphenom

Love the Packers, and the Texans is great. What's the year on these?

Hank, I think the Packers is mid-late 50s and the Texans is 1961 or 62. There’s a white spine and red spine version. I’m not a football pennant expert but I think there might be a red felt version of this with the AFL trademark? Not positive …

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Displaying my favorites from my very modest collection of football pennants. Trench really produced some quality in the 50s and 60s. The fully colorized 49ers is the most attractive pennant I’ve ever seen, in any sport. The “Go Get ‘Em Rams” might be top 5.

What pennant of yours is your favorite, putting value aside, strictly in terms of “eye appeal”?

Not rare but I love the color in these. The fonts are all the same, suggesting the same maker....which is who?

I could use an upgrade on the last one. Bocca has one where the water is actually blue. I've been looking for it. This one has a satin-like spine.

[UKCardGuy]

Some great pennants on the thread this week. Love the Texans penannts and the 49er's disply.

I've had a couple of new arrivals this week. The Giants is from the grommet series. Except for some fading to the green color, it's in great shape. It could do with a gentle clean but I'm not willing to risk it.

The Cardinals is a mini pennant but I've not seen it before except in Mike Egner's book.

[Vintagedeputy]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Displaying my favorites from my very modest collection of football pennants. Trench really produced some quality in the 50s and 60s. The fully colorized 49ers is the most attractive pennant I’ve ever seen, in any sport. The “Go Get ‘Em Rams” might be top 5.

What pennant of yours is your favorite, putting value aside, strictly in terms of “eye appeal”?

Love that Titans pennant. I had a friend when I was a kid who said the he played for them. Never found much online about him. He did have tons of pics of when he was on the practice squad for the Giants in the 50's though.

[bocca001]

Nice grommet pennant, Gary. I think that is now the third copy I've seen. Mine, yours, and there was a more yellow colored one auctioned off earlier this year.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Hank, I think the Packers is mid-late 50s and the Texans is 1961 or 62. There’s a white spine and red spine version. I’m not a football pennant expert but I think there might be a red felt version of this with the AFL trademark? Not positive …

Yes there is. But the graphics are not multi-colored on that rare red felt version.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Not rare but I love the color in these. The fonts are all the same, suggesting the same maker....which is who?

I could use an upgrade on the last one. Bocca has one where the water is actually blue. I've been looking for it. This one has a satin-like spine.

Love the last Giants pennant. The only SFG I display!

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes there is. But the graphics are not multi-colored on that rare red felt version.

Interesting … the only other obvious Trench of which I knew was the red Cotton Bowl version (no AFL mark). Must be incredibly rare.

[Fballguy]

Not really felt...but 1960s "felt".

Originally Posted by perezfan

Yes there is. But the graphics are not multi-colored on that rare red felt version.

[perezfan]

Yeah "felt" was a bit of a stretch. Material looks very similar to the bizarre "1938" Cubs pennant we discussed a page back or so.

[ooo-ribay]

Originally Posted by thetahat

Love the last Giants pennant. The only SFG I display!

Like I said, Bocca has one with blue (not grey) water. Paging Mr. Boccaccini…

[Hankphenom]

You guys are really bringing it with the pennants. I can't imagine where you're finding all these rarities, but as a pennant guy it's fun to watch.

[bocca001]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Like I said, Bocca has one with blue (not grey) water. Paging Mr. Boccaccini…

As you wish.... I think Greg has one of these too, just maybe not on display. It is much tougher to find that the non-blue. Not sure if they were all blue and most faded, or if some were just more blue to begin with.

[thetahat]

Originally Posted by bocca001

As you wish.... I think Greg has one of these too, just maybe not on display. It is much tougher to find that the non-blue. Not sure if they were all blue and most faded, or if some were just more blue to begin with.

The one I have displayed in the pic is my “blue” version, though not as blue as yours. And I have a couple that have no hint of blue. So I guess that suggests that maybe they were all made the same way but the color fades easily.

Had this discussion with another board member regarding the color of the grass in Trench stadium pennants. Have seen nearly mint condition pennants with vivid paint colors … except for yellow grass on the playing field. Yet there are some that are deep green. For some reason you see green grass more with White Sox and Cardinals pennants. Were they all made green and it just faded quickly? Who knows …

[ooo-ribay]

Look at this rare beauty! Never seen it before!

As far as what to do with the under graded cards, I’m not the guy to ask.

[perezfan]

Originally Posted by ooo-ribay

Look at this rare beauty! Never seen it before!

As far as what to do with the under graded cards, I’m not the guy to ask.

Well, I can assure you that only two TSOG pennants are known to exist. Rarest modern pennant extant.

$5K gets it, for the first person to respond via email/PM.

[effe]

Originally Posted by thetahat

What pennant of yours is your favorite, putting value aside, strictly in terms of “eye appeal”?

Love the Brewers mascot.

[UKCardGuy]

Never seen that one before. Very cool John.