OT: Baseball Hall of Fame Suffers Losses but Says Finances Improving

[steve B]

Originally Posted by D. Bergin

LOL, when have they done this?

2000-2001 Gillette stadium. Or then CMGI stadium.

[steve B]

The US cycling hall of fame was in a strip mall in NJ. Then lost it's lease and was put in storage.

After a few years and a search for a new home it was given a place by UC Berkely.

They have had no support at all from any of the companies.

[bk400]

Originally Posted by steve B

The US cycling hall of fame was in a strip mall in NJ. Then lost it's lease and was put in storage.

After a few years and a search for a new home it was given a place by UC Berkely.

They have had no support at all from any of the companies.

Semi-serious question, but who would be in the US Cycling Hall of Fame? The guy who supplied Lance Armstrong his drugs?

As for Cooperstown, I think it's kind of cool that it is in a hard to reach place. If you want to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, it's not all bad that you have to trek a little bit to get there. If the HOF were in New York City, it be just another obligatory stop on the dreaded museum tour.

[Tabe]

I very much would like to go to the Hall. I was there in 1980 as a kid and loved it but don't remember much. But... I live 2000 miles away and visiting would be a full-on vacation for me. No thanks.

[steve B]

Originally Posted by bk400

Semi-serious question, but who would be in the US Cycling Hall of Fame? The guy who supplied Lance Armstrong his drugs?

As for Cooperstown, I think it's kind of cool that it is in a hard to reach place. If you want to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, it's not all bad that you have to trek a little bit to get there. If the HOF were in New York City, it be just another obligatory stop on the dreaded museum tour.

If Lance is the only rider you know it might take a lot of explaining.
Lance is NOT in the hall of fame.... sort of like Jackson and Rose.

Major Taylor
Bobby Walthour Sr
And junior
Steve Hegg - Olympic gold in 84 plus a silver, several national championships.
John Howard - Olympic team 68, 72, 76, Won the road race in the Pan Am games in 71, four national championships, won the 81 ironman, and oh yeah, a motorpaced world record in 1985

Rebecca Twigg- six world championships in Pursuit, 16 national championships.

Ted Ernst- as a contibutor, having a family history of bike shops supporting racers. But he also was a pioneer of US riders competing professionally in Europe in the early postwar era.

And a bunch more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...g_Hall_of_Fame

[D. Bergin]

Originally Posted by steve B

If Lance is the only rider you know it might take a lot of explaining.
Lance is NOT in the hall of fame.... sort of like Jackson and Rose.

Major Taylor
Bobby Walthour Sr
And junior
Steve Hegg - Olympic gold in 84 plus a silver, several national championships.
John Howard - Olympic team 68, 72, 76, Won the road race in the Pan Am games in 71, four national championships, won the 81 ironman, and oh yeah, a motorpaced world record in 1985

Rebecca Twigg- six world championships in Pursuit, 16 national championships.

Ted Ernst- as a contibutor, having a family history of bike shops supporting racers. But he also was a pioneer of US riders competing professionally in Europe in the early postwar era.

And a bunch more.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...g_Hall_of_Fame

Greg Lemond, who has been a vocal critic of Lance Armstrong, is who first came to mind for me.

Lemond's run in the 80's was when I was first started following the Tour De France. "American Flyers" and "Breaking Away" were two of my favorite movies when I was a teenager.

Sadly, I dropped the biking road trips with my friends after I got my driver's license and cars became much more convenient to get around in.

[Fred]

Originally Posted by bk400

Semi-serious question, but who would be in the US Cycling Hall of Fame? The guy who supplied Lance Armstrong his drugs?

As for Cooperstown, I think it's kind of cool that it is in a hard to reach place. If you want to make the pilgrimage to Mecca, it's not all bad that you have to trek a little bit to get there. If the HOF were in New York City, it be just another obligatory stop on the dreaded museum tour.

Originally Posted by steve B

If Lance is the only rider you know it might take a lot of explaining.
Lance is NOT in the hall of fame.... sort of like Jackson and Rose.

Wouldn't that be more like:
Bonds
Sosa
McGwire
Clemens

[JollyElm]

Originally Posted by Fred

Wouldn't that be more like:
Bonds
Sosa
McGwire
Clemens

As my grandma putting down her dabber would say, "BINGO!!!!!!"

[bandrus1]

I am spoiled and live about an hour and 10 mins away. I play in a 4 team old man/1 woman baseball league in the area with hall employees and interns. You would be amazed how dedicated these people are to the hall and the experience of the guests.

I like to go on my birthday which is December 26 day after Christmas and yes they r open. I have Sat in that hall a number of times with not a single other person there or half an hour at a time. It is magical, it is a religious experience being there along. If you haven't bee, go if you are boycotting for some reason like you are providing a point to somebody, it is you that is missing out not them

[steve B]

Originally Posted by Fred

Wouldn't that be more like:
Bonds
Sosa
McGwire
Clemens

Yes, those would be closer analogies.
There's less debate as to whether he belongs.

Cyclings relationship with all sorts of doping go back well over a century.
And it's an odd one.
Get caught, just say aw shucks ya got me take your suspension and it's all ok. Maybe a few results thrown out, but not a pariah.
Get caught use some BS excuse. 50/50 got it from a steak a fan gave you ok, have a formerly unknown chimeric twin.... No way, that story id too crazy.
Get caught have Nike pay off the UCI, claim for years you didnt, wreck the careers of people who say otherwise, then finally get forced to admit it after you're retired. Lifetime ban and all results overturned. Leaving one TDF with no winner since something like the first 20 finishers were thought very likely on something and the first clean guy refused the win.

[D. Bergin]

Made it up to Cooperstown last week on a road trip with the wife. Made a nice roundabout from Cooperstown to Niagara Falls and then to Howe Caverns on the way back.

Got there on a Monday afternoon and basically had the whole place to ourselves. It was great.

Here's a few pics I grabbed from the "Holy Grail" display in the baseball card section. Going through my pics, I'm annoyed at the pictures I didn't take. Like the 1952 Topps 5 cent unopened pack, and the Cracker Jack, Joe Jackson.