Goldin income verification

[OhioLawyerF5]

I'm happy to be snarky when I see people claiming to take personal offense when a corporation doesn't trust them implicitly because they've been a customer before. I find that hilarious....and sad.

[gabrinus]

I find you hilarious and sad...Jerry

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by gabrinus

I find you hilarious and sad...Jerry

I love you, Jerry.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

I'm happy to be snarky when I see people claiming to take personal offense when a corporation doesn't trust them implicitly because they've been a customer before. I find that hilarious....and sad.

You're missing the point entirely, if you want to drop to your knees and suck the corporate teat that's your decision. You're defending a company that got its start hoodwinking people into buying sports cards with snake oil tactics on late night TV. Not a good start on the integrity meter.

Kens done a great job maximizing profits, props all day long, but if you think a corporations self interest is greater than normal folks with integrity that are bidding on sports cards in this hobby I would disagree.

Call me old fashioned, I'm good with that, I'd rather hang out with the dozens of old timers on this sub that live by the "my word is my bond" credo than prove we can pay for what we bid on. Lack of trust is your problem not mine.

Heritage, LOTG, REA, etc have never asked for any of that, I'm completely good sending them my unverified money, and they're completely good accepting it.

I'm just a small time collector but do occasionally spend more than 10k in an auction. I'll never deal with a corporation that makes it difficult for me to spend money with them, so no Goldin for me, Ken doesn't need my pittance of business anyway.

Peters false equivalence of mortgage loans makes no sense either, I'd be interested to see if Goldins stewardship of that highly sensitive information adheres to the strict laws we have in the mortgage industry.

So you can defend corporate bullshit all you want but your rooting for the wrong team imo.

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

You're missing the point entirely, if you want to drop to your knees and suck the corporate teat that's your decision. You're defending a company that got its start hoodwinking people into buying sports cards with snake oil tactics on late night TV. Not a good start on the integrity meter.



Kens done a great job maximizing profits, props all day long, but if you think a corporations self interest is greater than normal folks with integrity that are bidding on sports cards in this hobby I would disagree.



Call me old fashioned, I'm good with that, I'd rather hang out with the dozens of old timers on this sub that live by the "my word is my bond" credo than prove we can pay for what we bid on. Lack of trust is your problem not mine.



Heritage, LOTG, REA, etc have never asked for any of that, I'm completely good sending them my unverified money, and they're completely good accepting it.



I'm just a small time collector but do occasionally spend more than 10k in an auction. I'll never deal with a corporation that makes it difficult for me to spend money with them, so no Goldin for me, Ken doesn't need my pittance of business anyway.



Peters false equivalence of mortgage loans makes no sense either, I'd be interested to see if Goldins stewardship of that highly sensitive information adheres to the strict laws we have in the mortgage industry.



So you can defend corporate bullshit all you want but your rooting for the wrong team imo.

Talk about missing the point.

I didn't defend it at all. I merely said it was stupid to take personal offense to it. I specifically said that while the company has the right to do it (because they do), you are more than within your rights to hate it and stop doing business with them.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by OhioLawyerF5

Talk about missing the point.

I didn't defend it at all. I merely said it was stupid to take personal offense to it. I specifically said that while the company has the right to do it (because they do), you are more than within your rights to hate it and stop doing business with them.

Are you calling me and other members like me stupid?

[OhioLawyerF5]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

Are you calling me and other members like me stupid?

I'm saying it's stupid to take personal offense to a policy implemented by a company that applies across the board. If you want to take personal offense to that, well... I wouldn't be surprised.

Smart people do stupid things all the time. So I'm not calling you stupid. I'm saying something you are doing is stupid. The fact that you interpret that as calling you stupid just proves my point about how ridiculous some people are who take offense to non-offensive things. I like to live by the saying that taking offense just shows someone's inability to control their reactions to others. And this case is a prime example. A company makes a sweeping policy change and people think Ken Goldin specifically targeted them because he questions their personal integrity. Stupid. Yes, that's stupid. I don't know another way to say it.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

You're missing the point entirely, if you want to drop to your knees and suck the corporate teat that's your decision. You're defending a company that got its start hoodwinking people into buying sports cards with snake oil tactics on late night TV. Not a good start on the integrity meter.

Kens done a great job maximizing profits, props all day long, but if you think a corporations self interest is greater than normal folks with integrity that are bidding on sports cards in this hobby I would disagree.

Call me old fashioned, I'm good with that, I'd rather hang out with the dozens of old timers on this sub that live by the "my word is my bond" credo than prove we can pay for what we bid on. Lack of trust is your problem not mine.

Heritage, LOTG, REA, etc have never asked for any of that, I'm completely good sending them my unverified money, and they're completely good accepting it.

I'm just a small time collector but do occasionally spend more than 10k in an auction. I'll never deal with a corporation that makes it difficult for me to spend money with them, so no Goldin for me, Ken doesn't need my pittance of business anyway.

Peters false equivalence of mortgage loans makes no sense either, I'd be interested to see if Goldins stewardship of that highly sensitive information adheres to the strict laws we have in the mortgage industry.

So you can defend corporate bullshit all you want but your rooting for the wrong team imo.

Why is it a false equivalence?

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Why is it a false equivalence?

The mortgage industry is a highly regulated industry when it comes to financial information, how we ask for that information, how we protect that information, how we can use that information, and how we store that information just to name a few.

I would posit the unregulated AH industry has little to none of those protections. I may be wrong but I don't think so.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The mortgage industry is a highly regulated industry when it comes to financial information, how we ask for that information, how we protect that information, how we can use that information, and how we store that information just to name a few.

I would posit the unregulated AH industry has little to none of those protections. I may be wrong but I don't think so.

I now have an identity and credit monitoring account. It was provided to me free of charge, because the 3rd party servicer of my mortgage had a data breach. That means, all of my financial info provided to my mortgage company was compromised.

So much for mortgage industry regulations and protections.

[Casey2296]

Originally Posted by Mark17

I now have an identity and credit monitoring account. It was provided to me free of charge, because the 3rd party servicer of my mortgage had a data breach. That means, all of my financial info provided to my mortgage company was compromised.

So much for mortgage industry regulations and protections.

No doubt, even with all the regulations that stuff happens way too often. I would imagine an unregulated AH industry is a crapshoot with how they protect your information.

[Mark17]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

No doubt, even with all the regulations that stuff happens way too often. I would imagine an unregulated AH industry is a crapshoot with how they protect your information.

Hopefully they look at it once and then destroy it.

With mortgages, I got the mortgage from one company, who had a 3rd party servicer. After a few years, they sold my mortgage to another company, which used a different servicer. After that servicer had their data breach, the current owner of my mortgage has now contracted with yet another servicer. So I provide all sorts of sensitive info to get a mortgage and then, without my consent, 4 other companies also end up with it and one of them gets hit.

I'd take my chances with Goldin over that scenario.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by Casey2296

The mortgage industry is a highly regulated industry when it comes to financial information, how we ask for that information, how we protect that information, how we can use that information, and how we store that information just to name a few.

I would posit the unregulated AH industry has little to none of those protections. I may be wrong but I don't think so.

But your originally stated objection was not concern that your information provided to Goldin could be compromised, it was that you found the request personally insulting. Old time collector etc. etc. So I asked why that was the case if you didn't find a request by a bank insulting. You seem to be shifting arguments.