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Unique? Yes. Seven no hitters and all-time K record? Sorry, that equates to greatness. No amount of stats or words will change that.
Yes, there are other pitchers who are great for different reasons than why Ryan was legendary. 
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10-29-2024, 12:33 PM
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I guess I just don't understand why it's meaningful to measure a pitcher in this way. A decent pitcher would probably improve a terrible team's winning percentage more than a great pitcher would improve a great team's percentage. For example. And I would bet there are all sorts of confounding variables too.
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10-29-2024, 01:08 PM
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Yes! Ultimately, everyone wants the win, but it's certainly not solely on the shoulders of any one player to achieve that. The pitcher may get credit for the decision, but there are lots of other players and factors that determine the outcome. Therefore, I will never solely be transfixed with W-L.
Every manager wants strikeouts from his pitchers. While there are other obvious requests, "Get that guy out" has to be the big one.
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10-29-2024, 01:17 PM
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10-29-2024, 06:25 PM
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10-29-2024, 06:57 PM
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Ryan: 324-292, 112 ERA+, 5,386 IP, 1.247 WHIP, 83.6 WAR Perry: 314-265, 117 ERA+, 5,350 IP, 1.181 WHIP, 90.0 WAR Well, looks like they are, in fact, pretty similar in regards to their actual career values. They produced similar careers and values, but Ryan had the highlight reel, the press, the flashy K's (and forgotten walks) and the dedicated fanbase while Perry did not. I understand that many people are not interested in using the math or value or anything like that, and follow an emotion or who they like or who had the PR, or the highlight reel, or single game accomplishments. I do not understand why many of these people object that other people use math to evaluate instead.
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10-30-2024, 12:22 PM
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