Theft at Philly Show

[Exhibitman]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

a valid form of ID (not your Avengers membership card).

Will my KISS Army card work?

Guns are not the answer. And before the gun people have kittens over my 'liberal' view, I own multiple and can shoot the wings off a mosquito with my rifle, so I am not a prohibitionist, but I am a realist. Have you met the average card show attendee? I don't think a good portion of them should be allowed to drive, and to think of them armed...yipes!

[ClementeFanOh]

Adam/Exhibitman-

Good God, not you too. PeterSpaeth and G1911 are..."special". They write to
see their words in print, or to start debate even if off the topic of the post.
Sophistry is too much of a preoccupation in certain corners of this board. I
am certain you are better than this.

Let me make this crystal clear: improving awareness and security at card
shows is not- not- simply about carrying a weapon. I've made it beyond
clear that preventative measures on the part of a) promoters b) dealers and
c) show attendees together, can make it much harder on those with bad
intent, to carry out that intent. This can and should involve enhanced
human security at large shows for sure, electronic security if
possible/practical, and steps to ensure that people entering actually have a
legitimate purpose for doing so. It should involve sellers with significant
card/cash value to enlist help at their tables, and for show attendees to do
their part by being vigilant with their own material as well. Gripes by the
"but" crowd- you know, people who say "I'd like to feel more secure at
shows but..."- are plentiful. I don't believe my suggestions would entirely
stop this problem, but they would stand a much better chance of helping
than an endless list of reservations about taking action.

In my first post on this thread, I said hyperbolists would come out of the
woodwork. It's precisely what has happened here, by precisely the folks
who I predicted would do it. The G1911/PeterSpaeth ploy of reduction to
the absurd came right out- shocking.

Last word- I agree the gun aspect has taken too much energy here. Bottom
line is individuals are free to take legal steps to protect themselves. The
wisdom of that choice is beyond this thread- it simply exists as a choice.
It isn't that hard, all parties at shows should take steps to ensure they aren't
a victim.

Trent King

[Peter_Spaeth]

Is there anyone on this board more arrogant, self-righteous, and personally hostile as you? Good god, as you like to say. I haven't said anything in this thread that would remotely warrant yet another personal attack from you. Here's one back -- fuck yourself. I doubt I've told anyone that before, but there's a time and place for everything. Here's some advice for you -- stick to the merits of a discussion, don't get angry, and don't attack people. How hard is that?

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

Adam/Exhibitman-

Good God, not you too. PeterSpaeth and G1911 are..."special". They write to
see their words in print, or to start debate even if off the topic of the post.
Sophistry is too much of a preoccupation in certain corners of this board. I
am certain you are better than this.

Let me make this crystal clear: improving awareness and security at card
shows is not- not- simply about carrying a weapon. I've made it beyond
clear that preventative measures on the part of a) promoters b) dealers and
c) show attendees together, can make it much harder on those with bad
intent, to carry out that intent. This can and should involve enhanced
human security at large shows for sure, electronic security if
possible/practical, and steps to ensure that people entering actually have a
legitimate purpose for doing so. It should involve sellers with significant
card/cash value to enlist help at their tables, and for show attendees to do
their part by being vigilant with their own material as well. Gripes by the
"but" crowd- you know, people who say "I'd like to feel more secure at
shows but..."- are plentiful. I don't believe my suggestions would entirely
stop this problem, but they would stand a much better chance of helping
than an endless list of reservations about taking action.

In my first post on this thread, I said hyperbolists would come out of the
woodwork. It's precisely what has happened here, by precisely the folks
who I predicted would do it. The G1911/PeterSpaeth ploy of reduction to
the absurd came right out- shocking.

Last word- I agree the gun aspect has taken too much energy here. Bottom
line is individuals are free to take legal steps to protect themselves. The
wisdom of that choice is beyond this thread- it simply exists as a choice.
It isn't that hard, all parties at shows should take steps to ensure they aren't
a victim.

Trent King

How is it absurd of me to observe that bringing a gun out is not a legal or ethical solution to non-violent thefts that never posed a physical danger to anyone? Of course you can't answer anything or back your statements because your solution of open carrying guns at shows to cause panics is retarded and you can't figure out how that makes any sense. This is the second time you have had a meltdown over somebody not endorsing violence. What kind of sick fuck objects to this?

All you do is blatantly lie about transcripts, throw randomly chosen insults, and come off like a potentially violent lunatic. I hope this is merely an online tough guy persona this dipshit has.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

How is it absurd of me to observe that bringing a gun out is not a legal or ethical solution to non-violent thefts that never posed a physical danger to anyone? Of course you can't answer anything or back your statements because your solution of open carrying guns at shows to cause panics is retarded and you can't figure out how that makes any sense. This is the second time you have had a meltdown over somebody not endorsing violence. What kind of sick fuck objects to this?

All you do is blatantly lie about transcripts, throw randomly chosen insults, and come off like a potentially violent lunatic. I hope this is merely an online tough guy persona this dipshit has.

Where I come from, a normal reaction to someone disagreeing with you is to defend/explain your position. Nope -- Adam dares to disagree with the all knowing one and the response is "Good god not you too."

[G1911]

Originally Posted by Peter_Spaeth

Where I come from, a normal reaction to someone disagreeing with you is to defend/explain your position. Nope -- Adam dares to disagree with the all knowing one and the response is "Good god not you too."

I know he believes that you and I, even though we rarely agree, are in some kind of conspiracy against him, but what did Adam ever do?!?!

[Peter_Spaeth]

Originally Posted by G1911

I know he believes that you and I, even though we rarely agree, are in some kind of conspiracy against him, but what did Adam ever do?!?!

Dunno. Dared to disagree with him? Failed to understand that his post about guns was not intended as a complete or even primary solution, although no one as far as I can tell interpreted it that way? Et tu, Adam?

[ClementeFanOh]

PeterSpaeth and G1911-

Thanks once again for proving my point. I'll stick to facts here (tough for
both of you, I get it):

1) Peter- You tell me to "go #!*& myself", yet I'm the one with the problem.
Where exactly do you come from, anyway? (Don't answer, it's rhetorical).

2) G1911- You exceed even your depths of stupidity. I don't believe you and
your buddy Peter are conspiring against me- I think you are both
egomaniacs. By the way, I did NOT "endorse bringing a gun out at
shows". For someone who pretends to be the ultimate rationalist, such a
blatant lie seems indefensible at this point. You are quite literally making
things up to defame me. My memory isn't what it used to be, but even I
can scroll up, partner.

3) G1911- I hope like heck you mistyped above and that you own M80
fireworks, not an M4. Yep, I've decided to believe that just for peace
of mind.

4) Adam did nothing wrong- he just bit into your inexhaustible desire to
turn the thread to what YOU want to discuss, rather than the poster.
Are the rest of us in any danger of either of you contributing a useful
idea of how to minimize thefts at shows? Or are you stuck in an endless
Moebius strip of inane chatter? I'm just a guy who dislikes hearing about
these high dollar heists and would like to discuss ways to stop them.

I'm done, please continue this 2-person episode of Short Attention Span
Theater. It won't entertain anyone else, but that hasn't stopped you before.

Trent King

[G1911]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

PeterSpaeth and G1911-

Thanks once again for proving my point. I'll stick to facts here (tough for
both of you, I get it):

1) Peter- You tell me to "go #!*& myself", yet I'm the one with the problem.
Where exactly do you come from, anyway? (Don't answer, it's rhetorical).

2) G1911- You exceed even your depths of stupidity. I don't believe you and
your buddy Peter are conspiring against me- I think you are both
egomaniacs. By the way, I did NOT "endorse bringing a gun out at
shows". For someone who pretends to be the ultimate rationalist, such a
blatant lie seems indefensible at this point. You are quite literally making
things up to defame me. My memory isn't what it used to be, but even I
can scroll up, partner.

3) G1911- I hope like heck you mistyped above and that you own M80
fireworks, not an M4. Yep, I've decided to believe that just for peace
of mind.

4) Adam did nothing wrong- he just bit into your inexhaustible desire to
turn the thread to what YOU want to discuss, rather than the poster.
Are the rest of us in any danger of either of you contributing a useful
idea of how to minimize thefts at shows? Or are you stuck in an endless
Moebius strip of inane chatter? I'm just a guy who dislikes hearing about
these high dollar heists and would like to discuss ways to stop them.

I'm done, please continue this 2-person episode of Short Attention Span
Theater. It won't entertain anyone else, but that hasn't stopped you before.

Trent King

2) - It is in the transcript, you fucking idiot. When you were informed that a thief cannot be deterred by a gun they don't know exists, you advocated open carrying at card shows before being unable to defend this dumbass idea. You are in the transcript having a meltdown because you are the only one who wants to show off guns at card shows like a god damn lunatic lol. The transcript of your repeated batshit crazy affinity to look for violent solutions defames you.

3) - Yes, it's the guy who is *against violence* that you are raging at in your second Net54 meltdown for endorsing non-violence that is the danger.

4) - Do you have any useful ideas or only the fantasies of a 12 year old COD player? So far your idea here is showing off guns, lying and screeching.

[Peter_Spaeth]

Right, you did not endorse bringing out a gun at shows.

3) Again, the mere presence of a weapon might well persuade a bad guy
to try someone else. "An armed society is a polite society".

And when you were asked to explain how a concealed weapon could deter anyone, you made clear you were talking about open carry.

3) If you really need to be told how a presence of a weapon- concealed or
not- may deter a person with criminal intent, you don't belong in this
chat. (Maybe start with a Google search for "open carry", if you can
manage it).

But we're the ones who are confused.