Reconstructing 1957 Topps Football uncut sheets

[Cliff Bowman]

I'm guessing the 1st Series is 88 cards in which all 88 cards are printed three times on a 264 card super sheet (two 132 card slits printed together) and the 2nd Series is 66 cards in which all 66 cards are printed four times on a 264 card super sheet (two 132 card slits printed together). The other aternative is two Series of 77 cards which would create 33 4x cards and 44 3x cards in each Series. I would be surprised if they took that route. ETA after looking at that link you posted I am obviously wrong, there must be SP's or DP's the way they printed that set.

[stevepoland]

Cliff, thanks for the reply. That math makes a lot of sense. Only issue is there are high numbers mixed with low numbers on the sheets. But maybe the overall answer is that there are two super sheets, and the low number rows are printed 3x and high numbers are printed 4x.

Have you ever seen anything where 2 rows are always printed together and so on a 12-row sheet there’s really 6 sections? (Or alternate view is- “there’s 2 sections of 6 rows”— that sounds more normal right? (I’m so used to seeing 4,4,4)

[Cliff Bowman]

I think the person from that site is probably correct, one slit has 132 different cards and the other slit has 110 of those same cards and 22 different cards that aren’t on the other slit, which creates a total of 110 2x cards and 44 1x cards. I would have to look at eBay, COMC, and Dean’s Cards to try get an idea of which cards are twice as available as the SP cards.

[Cliff Bowman]

I will post everything I found that isn't on that site. First I will do three 9 card panels I found on WorthPoint. I will post identifiable miscuts next.

[Cliff Bowman]

Here are the miscut combos I have, Bassett to the right of Womble, Carson to the left of Ferguson, Gedman above Brito, Hirsch above Johnson, Hirsch is likely a right edge card, Hornung is likely a left edge (header) card, Dibble is to the left of Root, Spinney is to the left of Putnam, Berry is above Vessels, Retzlaff is above Watkins.

[nearmint]

Hi all, I'm the guy with the web page. Steve pointed out this thread to me and sent me pictures of the panels and miscuts I hadn't seen. I had a few new pics squirreled away, too. I have added the new finds to the diagrams at the bottom of the page, but I need to go back and update the text. I'll also read through your thoughts above. It might be awhile; I'm busy with other things in the summer.

Thanks for Steve for bringing me into the conversation, and to Steve and Cliff for the new (to me, at least) pictures. It's good to meet more puzzle lovers!

More to think about: Steve mentions above that card #43 is printed three times on the sheets. After adding the new finds, I see that card #32, Bobby Layne, appears at least three times, also.

[Cliff Bowman]

Originally Posted by nearmint

More to think about: Steve mentions above that card #43 is printed three times on the sheets. After adding the new finds, I see that card #32, Bobby Layne, appears at least three times, also.

#43 Brown and #32 Layne are on the same eleven card row, that throws a monkey wrench in the theory that 10 rows are 2x and 4 rows are 1x if at least one row is 3x. I have a few new ones, Howard Ferguson is to the left of Leon Hart, Ray Krouse is to the left of Earl Morrall, Leon Hart is to the left of Fred Morrison, this creates a new complete 11 card row of Hornung-Youngelman-Shaw-Younger-Krouse-Morrall-Conerly-Ferguson-Hart-Morrison. I also have another new complete 11 card row, Tasseff-Waller-Lary-McPeak-R Brown-LeBaron-Dillon-Creekmur-Baker-Tunnell-Vessells. I also found Hugh McElhenney is to the left of Tom Wilson.