Safeguards at shows

[ClementeFanOh]

LEHR- You went from opinion to fact, and blew it. I have not "missed the
point". The point is that a hobby consisting of involvement from multiple
groups of people (hobbyists/dealers/show promoters), that is confronted by
a potentially serious problem affecting each group, can't simply pass the
problem to one group if they wish to address that problem fully and well.

Your take is, sadly, somewhat typical of a segment of the hobby: there's a
problem, I don't want to be stung by it, but I'm not willing to lift the
smallest finger to address it. The notion that showing a photo ID is
somehow supposed to be taxing and extraordinary is absurd, it makes no
sense. A person's "2 cents" must have some basis in reality, even if slight,
to be taken seriously. It's obvious this is everyone's problem rather than
everybody else's problem but mine. The issue is how best to resolve it.

Trent King

[LEHR]

Originally Posted by ClementeFanOh

LEHR- You went from opinion to fact, and blew it. I have not "missed the
point". The point is that a hobby consisting of involvement from multiple
groups of people (hobbyists/dealers/show promoters), that is confronted by
a potentially serious problem affecting each group, can't simply pass the
problem to one group if they wish to address that problem fully and well.

Your take is, sadly, somewhat typical of a segment of the hobby: there's a
problem, I don't want to be stung by it, but I'm not willing to lift the
smallest finger to address it. The notion that showing a photo ID is
somehow supposed to be taxing and extraordinary is absurd, it makes no
sense. A person's "2 cents" must have some basis in reality, even if slight,
to be taken seriously. It's obvious this is everyone's problem rather than
everybody else's problem but mine. The issue is how best to resolve it.

Trent King

Trent,

You're trying to make someone else's problem everyone's problem.
Example: If someone breaks into my house and steals my safe, is that my neighbors problem? Hell no. I should have had installed a better security system, I should have bolted the safe to the floor as an added deterrent, or I should have let fewer people know about the safe to begin with. I'm not going to run out and start a neighborhood watch and waste everyone else's time over my problem. It's called personal accountability which is also lacking for a lot of people.

And as far as the ID's go, I was making fake ID's at 16 and even given the technological advances, I bet I could make a pretty convincing one now given the time. Do you really think the 17 year old kid or 51 year old mom of four manning the doors at these card shows are going to know the difference in real of fake ID, or even give a rats ass? It's not like show promotors are hiring TSA agents to screen you as you walk in.

But regardless, we will never see eye to eye on this so there's no sense in going back and forth, so this will be my last response. Please come back in a year or two and post on this thread to let us know about how your ID idea saved the hobby from the boogieman.