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I think what they own is more in the nature of an option subject to a contingency, I don't think they own the cards, they haven't paid and indeed they are not obligated to pay under any circumstances.
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Which gives the high bidder all the power, No?
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It's a contingent contractual right, but realistically the contingency is unlikely to materialize.
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Maybe, is there a chance these significant cards don't show up and end up in some Russian Oligarchs collection? Of course, but if they do show up the ownership provenance is ironclad.
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If the thief is sophisticated, or passes the cards along to someone sophisticated, they'll show up in different slabs (or raw), perhaps slightly damaged to avoid detection, etc. etc. I would not say ironclad.
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Daryls Mello Mint Cobb is unmistakable.
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So far this discussion has mainly been focused on establishing value, for insurance purposes and to make everybody whole (after it's determined where liability lies.)
Here's a hypothetical: Since the cards were mailed from out of state, and it's a large sum, suppose the FBI is, indeed, running the investigation. Maybe it was THEIR idea to run the auction as though nothing had happened. If it wasn't public knowledge that cards were stolen, and more importantly, exactly which ones, maybe it was an FBI-initiated "sting" operation to try to identify unusual bidding behavior. For example, some person, or group, bidding up only the stolen cards, to inflate their perceived value. Or, hoping some bidder might somehow reveal knowledge unknown to the public, like asking unusual questions, etc. IF this is generally what happened, then I would have to change my mind and say that ML did the right thing in working with law enforcement to solve the crime. Another package was tampered with, but not taken. I wonder if fingerprints were obtained that could be cross-checked against employees or others with access to the package. Maybe this is the reason for their stated "optimism." So... If it was done to establish value, I think that was wrong. If it was a key part of the investigation, under direction of law enforcement, I would unquestionably change my mind completely. |
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If the insurance company does pull through and magically pays out on this rather dicey claim, then they would become the owners of the cards should they ever surface.
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This is perhaps one of the most interesting things to me, but again this is assuming a lot. I have no dog in this race, I'm a lower level collector that makes less in a year than some of these cards go for in an auction. All that being said the only way I would think the Insurance company would pay out, correct me if I'm wrong, is if there was next to zero chance of the cards being recovered. If they suddenly are what exactly happens to them? I doubt the insurance company wants a bunch of old pre-war cards. Do they auction them off?
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I appreciate the clarification. I'm unfamiliar with a lot of this, you learn something new everyday.
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Never asked him about the car which was at his house, or even the title. After a couple months his dad called them asking when they might take their car out of the yard. "We don't want that thing! Just scrap it. " "Ok, since you own it can you just send me that in writing" They did. The car got fixed, and sold. It didn't take much damage to total a Chevette. |
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But I'd wager good money that they won't be consigning them to Memory Lane lol |
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In my limited (1 time) experience with CIA insurance and a package stolen by a postal employee, where we were made whole by the insurance company. About, six months later I discovered one of the cards on ebay, they recovered the cards and we were offered the items back at the same price that we were previously paid out. We just repaid them what they had previously paid out to us and they sent the cards back.
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Absolutely, most insurers' claims dept. have a salvage unit which does nothing more than dispose of assets recovered after they have paid the claim. Disposition can be anything; auctions, private sales, charitable contributions etc.
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Auction law is weird, the situation is weirder, lawyers could get rich off of this kind of weirdness.
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